6d2 is here.

a7ii has 1/250 .. priced at 2g's when released if I recall correctly .. does that count?

rantercsr wrote in post #18407164
a7ii had 1/250 .. priced at 2g's when released if I recall correctly .. does that count?

No it doesn't.

Each shutter screen on a FF camera will have roughly twice the mass of the 'same' shutter screen on a crop camera and will have to travel roughly one and a half times as far in the same time interval. There's superior engineering involved in doing that and you are either going to have to spend more cash or expect a little less.

This is no more than high school physics and even more basic economics.

It is misleading to make simplistic comparisons between crop and FF bodies.

[EDIT] Sorry I missed the camera model you quoted ... but my basic point still stands. What Sony does on mirrorless vs what Canon does in a DSLR is a different debate.

DaviSto wrote in post #18407157
But stuff that it is really easy to build into a crop body is a far bigger challenge to incorporate in a full frame body. Making simplistic comparisons between crop and FF bodies is totally misleading.

So you are saying now that its REALLY hard for them to make a 1/8000 shutter?

I would be willing to bet it cost them MORE to limit the shutter to 1/4000 instead of using the shutter from another FF camera. I mean they salvaged used parts from all sorts of lines to throw this gimped POS together. Why not a shutter from a old 5diii?

So they take an 80D, keep the AF system, throw it on a worse ff sensor, limit the shutter speed and sync rate then DOUBLE the price.


But I have to admit It's really hilarious watching just how far a blinded canon fanboi will go to defend their favorite company.

Scoobert wrote in post #18407169
So you are saying now that its REALLY hard for them to make a 1/8000 shutter?

I would be willing to bet it cost them MORE to limit the shutter to 1/4000 instead of using the shutter from another FF camera. I mean they salvaged used parts from all sorts of line to throw this gimped POS together. Why not a shutter from a old 5diii?

So they take an 80D, keep the AF system, throw it on a worse ff sensor, limit the shutter speed and sync rate then DOUBLE the price.

But I have to admit It's really hilarious watching just how far a blinded canon fanboi will go to defend their favorite company.

OK ... if you truly think that's how things really are, I will leave you to it. I'm not interested in discussing it further. This is not really the right forum for this kind of debate. Try DPR.

Scoobert wrote in post #18407169
So you are saying now that its REALLY hard for them to make a 1/8000 shutter?

Both the D750 & D610, the closest comparable SLRs, have 1/4000 shutter & 1/200 x-sync. It will be interesting to see if either of those specs change in the successors, they typical don't from model to model in the same series. These really aren't the specs to get hung up on.

The 6D2 sensor rightly deserves scrutiny, everything else, not really. It's a reasonably well appointed camera for its target audience.

One thing I rarely see in these threads is side by side examples of how feature X in camera A makes a real world difference over feature Y in camera B.

Lee

John Sheehy wrote in post #18407041
No. The 5Ds(r) has the highest base-ISO DR of any off-sensor-ADC Canon. The fact that it has an off-sensor ADC is the only reason that it isn't the Canon with the greatest base-ISO DR.

True, but now we conflate in the OTHER reasons that the 5DS is not simply 'less DR due to smaller sensels which gather less light'

DaviSto wrote in post #18407128
No ... those are both quite legitimate product differentiation from the 5Div. They are easily worked around and hardly consequential for most photographers most of the time. Step upstairs to the 5Div if you really, really need them ... and don't be 'cheap' and expect Canon to offer you everything you'd get on a professionally targeted body like the 5Div on its (very good and very well featured) entry level full-frame body for simply way less money. That's not how it works.

Anybody dreaming they were going to get a 5Div for hardly half the price was simply delusional.

But not giving the 6Dii the latest sensor tech was a big error by Canon imho.

^^^

As for your last sentence, one has to keep in mind that they did not want to shoot themselves in the 5DIV foot, by releasing a superior imaging 6DII, and making the same mistake yet again to hurt their profits!

DaviSto wrote in post #18407157
But stuff that it is really easy to build into a crop body is a far bigger challenge to incorporate in a full frame body. Making simplistic comparisons between crop and FF bodies is totally misleading.

^
A bigger shutter moves across a bigger sensor, but its motion ACROSS is at the same linear rate of speed, so its X-sync is slower and its top speed is slower, unless you use more expensive technology in FF than in APS-C.

While the 5Dn might have such technology, in the 6Dn they might leave it out (using less expensive materials and design), ergo the 'crippled' capability. And even if the 6Dn had identical technology and used the same guts, Canon would be foolish no to make the consumer WANT the higher priced (higher profit) big brother to the 6Dn.

DaviSto wrote in post #18407014
In truth, a good lens was always more likely the better purchase ... no matter the 6Dii had actually turned out the way many hoped it would. So ... consider yourself blessed.

Thank you for the words of wisdom Now to shop *L*

Wilt wrote in post #18407191
^^^

As for your last sentence, one has to keep in mind that they did not want to shoot themselves in the 5DIV foot, by releasing a superior imaging 6DII, and making the same mistake yet again to hurt their profits!

is this fact?
the only place I hear of hurt 5d3 sales by the 6d is on forums , but nothing official .. did I miss something somewhere?

rantercsr wrote in post #18407200
is this fact?
the only place I hear of hurt 5d3 sales by the 6d is on forums , but nothing official .. did I miss something somewhere?

Ah ... now we are in the wonderful world of the 'hypothetical counterfactual', much beloved of my (alleged) profession.

If not that, then what?

The answer is always the same. 'Nobody knows'.

Not sure if this has been noted...Latest from PetaPixel:

https://petapixel.com …range-big-disappointment/

Looks like I have to save up for a 5D4


would someone do a 80D + great aps-c glasses (sigma 18-35mm, 50-100mm, etc) versus 6D Mark II +great ff glasses comparison....

rantercsr wrote in post #18407200
is this fact?
the only place I hear of hurt 5d3 sales by the 6d is on forums , but nothing official .. did I miss something somewhere?

The IQ differences between the 6D and 5D3 seem overly hyped on forums. The 6D, being marketed more as "consumer" would be expected to have more sales. But the 5D3 did well in it's class: Canon differentiated the two with the 5D having "prosumer" body/interface, better AF, higher shutter/sync speeds, and better video specs.

Canon doesnt have anything to offer with this release. If you are or were looking to upgrade you might as well go sony. At least you can still be current sensor wise rather than buying a 6d2 and automaticaly being 5 years behind. But if the 6d is
acceptable to you for whatever reason then feel free to support canon.