Photobucket Goes Rogue

Then drag your image JPG file from your PC folder to this screen...

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18406029
As to your hotlinking the image, either it is something in Pekka's software, or the hosting provider is preventing it.

I can not prevent hotlinking for anything else than images hosted from my server. That URL has its own hotlinking protection.

I would advice to get a host with Litespeed (openlitespeed is free http://open.litespeedt​ech.com/mediawiki/). It has a GUI admin which makes a lot of sense after while. Some server software like Nginx is very difficult to manage. With Apache and Litespeed's paid version you can use control panels like Plesk or cpanel to make things easy, too -- problem with those is that they "take over" a lot of things and later when you're in need to some detailed server feature customization they might just prevent what you want to do.

What is strange is that the image does show up for the preview for example.

Wilt wrote in post #18406025
Thanks for the response, but a lot of that still goes over my head (and I have been involved with computers for 40 years!...just not much experience with domains and web hosting and internet protocols). My needs are simple...

1. I have no domain, no interest in setting up one and paying for one (if I can avoid it)
   
2. I have no other need for a domain.
   
3. I have no desire to have an online site to 'show off examples' or to sell anything to anyone (no clients to show albums full of wedding shots to choose from)
   
4. With PB I was able to upload an image intended as an example in a forum post hotlink (used in car forum, or in photography forum), and I filled only 33% of 2GB free account in a 15 year period.
   

OK, on reflection....I think you have two options. Go through an image hosting site like smugmug. I like them, and since I'm involved with web development, pay for their highest tier amateur level so that I can do my own styling. If you're just looking to link images, there are less expensive tiers. It's nice for linking to internet boards: they have a simple interface for being able to copy and embed in various sizes/internet formats.

Since you are involved with other aspects of computers, I'm confident you can learn how to FTP images and link them to sites. I like using a program called filezilla. If you just want a webhost without domain, I suppose it's less an issue since you're just using the address to directly link your files. You can get a hosting plan and just use the FTP address (and you'll have setup your username/password). A program like Filezilla is pretty straight forward: once you successfully sign into your site, you might see it fairly empty or there might be a public_html folder (go there first). Create an images folder, and the address would be xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/images​/yourjpeg.jpg . There are resources for seeing how to embed the images in different internet formats.

Thx for explanation, teamspeed. I now understand a benefit of the domain...independence of the hosting used.

What my tests so far have revealed...

• Using cubeupload or postimage.org, I could (without my own domain) upload photos that would hotlink properly on POTN and other forums;
  
• Google and httpix both provide https links that do not seem to hotlink on any of the forums I frequent...POTN or otherwise, so it is not a POTN issue per se.
  
• imgur uses http link (not https) but burying that into the IMG /IMG does not work for hotlink ...POTN or otherwise, so again it is not a POTN issue per se.
  
• Using the upload to the POTN gallery does not fix the issue for non-POTN sites.
  

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18406020
When I take your URL for that image and put IMG tags around it, it seems to work for me. But then it goes to an X afterwards. The preview shows it for me as I am editing this post.

| Byte size: ZERO | Content warning: NOT AN IMAGE

The image serves fine to local networks, tested in my dev server. So your server refuses to serve the image to anything else than a direct browser call, or local network ip range.

You have viewed the image, so it is in your browser cache, that is why you see in in all cases. Only thing you can rely in POTN editor is what EMBED IMAGE tool tells you about the image.

Localhost (local IP range):

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18406043
What is strange is that the image does show up for the preview for example.

Preview is equal to direct browser URL call. Image checker and any other tool we might have like EXIF tool, contact the remote server from POTN ip, not via your browser. This is why EMBED IMAGE is the only way to see the image from POTN viewpoint and make sure it is displayed here properly.

If you use my referral, we both get a 20% discount. This saves you almost $10 the first year anyways.

https://secure.smugmug​.com/signup?Coupon=GCd​pZUhPya1NY

Later if you refer others, you can save some money if they use the link for your account as well.

Details: http://help.smugmug.co​m …a-refer-a-friend-program-

Got it, make sense, thanks!

Wilt wrote in post #18406046
Thx for explanation, teamspeed. I now understand a benefit of the domain...independence of the hosting used.

What my tests so far have revealed...

• Using cubeupload or postimage.org, I could (without my own domain) upload photos that would hotlink properly on POTN and other forums;
  
• Google and httpix both provide https links that do not seem to hotlink on any of the forums I frequent...POTN or otherwise, so it is not a POTN issue per se.
  
• imgur uses http link (not https) but burying that into the IMG /IMG does not work for hotlink ...POTN or otherwise, so again it is not a POTN issue per se.
  
• Using the upload to the POTN gallery does not fix the issue for non-POTN sites.
  

smugmug and zenfolio cost $48-60, to do what cubeupload or postimage or Photobucket do for free...something costing closer to incremental $0-40 annually is more the kind of expense I would prefer to incur for the minimal uses (and burden on the hosting services) I have. Maybe I have to just bite the bullet for smugmug at $48, or accept the non-portability of the cubeupload or postimage free services

Pekka wrote in post #18406049
The image serves fine to local networks, tested in my dev server. So your server refuses to serve the image to anything else than a direct browser call, or local network ip range.

You have viewed the image, so it is in your browser cache, that is why you see in in all cases. Only thing you can rely in POTN editor is what EMBED IMAGE tool tells you about the image.

Localhost (local IP range):

Hosted photo: posted by Pekka in
./showthread.php?p=184​06049&i=i64849155
forum: Photography Industry News

POTN, EMBED IMAGE tool :

Hosted photo: posted by Pekka in
./showthread.php?p=184​06049&i=i197932079
forum: Photography Industry News

So if I understand you correctly, Pekka, for all but cubeupload and postimage, it is the service (Google, imgur, httpix) which are all preventing photos from hotlinking correctly (when reading POTN post)?

...and POTN and APUG and other forum software is blameless in that issue, and is why two (cubeupload or postimage) of the multiple links work as hotlinks (within the IMG /IMG):


Google Photos...https://photos.google.​com …Z4Ue_4MPamUS4a_​Z2iTxIy_JE

cubeupload...

postimage.org ...

imgur... http://imgur.com/a/07k​pX

httpix image URL
https://httpix.com …911a2d9b3d17695​f53f7f.jpg

Image link
https://httpix.com/ima​ge/Reyy

If I go to your Google link, it appears broken. That one seems to be from not linking the image correctly. Pekka is saying that httpix prevents your photos being linked to outside sites.

trying your imgur link:

Byte size: ZERO | Content warning: NOT AN IMAGE

davesrose,

• Odd, your comment about Google link not working...clicking to the link in post 204 works fine, but you say it does not.
  
• The links (to imgur, or to whichever link that TeamSpeed used to get to my moon shot) work when you click on them as conventional links, but not working when buried within the (bracket)IMG(bracket) to hotlink within my original post.
  And then both you and TeamSpeed seem to have the hotlinked image working properly when in the context of quoting my original post with that link
  

Pekka wrote in post #18406049
Localhost (local IP range):

Hosted photo: posted by Pekka in
./showthread.php?p=184​06049&i=i64849155
forum: Photography Industry News

That's an interesting member panel, Pekka.

To get your imgur image to embed in a POTN post, I clicked on your link. That link isn't the image itself...it's a webpage that's rendering the picture inside it (so the img bracket won't work on that address). I got to the image address itself by right clicking on the image and then selecting "view image". That goes to the image itself....depending on your browser, you'll see the image start from the top left or center and the background will either be white or black (and that's the address to copy and use in the img bracket). So imgur seems to be working (the image address was: http://i.imgur.com/hr6​rqlE.jpg). httpix doesn't seem to be working (it's preventing hotlinking to external sites).

Edit to your Edit about Google link: when I click on it, I get a 404 (file missing error). For that one, you might be using your own account and the photo isn't being shared. The link might be working for you because you're signed into your account and it's not accessible to outside sources.

Edit, I've looked and it doesn't appear that Google has the ability to link anyways:

How to Get Link to Post Photo on a Web Forum

Wilt wrote in post #18406064
So if I understand you correctly, Pekka, for all but cubeupload and postimage, it is the service (Google, imgur, httpix) which are all preventing photos from hotlinking correctly (when reading POTN post)?

...and POTN and APUG and other forum software is blameless in that issue, and is why two (cubeupload or postimage) of the multiple links work as hotlinks (within the IMG /IMG):

Google Photos...https://photos.google.​com …Z4Ue_4MPamUS4a_​Z2iTxIy_JE

cubeupload...

postimage.org ...

imgur... http://imgur.com/a/07k​pX

httpix image URL
https://httpix.com …911a2d9b3d17695​f53f7f.jpg

Image link
https://httpix.com/ima​ge/Reyy

I would suggest that you contact httpix.com support and ask them about this. I can explain what happens here, and why the image there does not show up here.

1. You need to point to plain img URL. A gallery page is html content, not an image. EMBED IMAGE tool will extract the image url from most popular gallery sites for you.
This seems to be fine with your embed code.

2. image must be allowed to be embedded in other sites. Hotlinking or firewall, whatever the reason. How that is set up and solved is entirely up to server admin.
The problem is most likely this.

I can gladly respond to all accusations which suggest the problem is in POTN, but you'll have to present specific test cases and ask specific questions, please.

If you feel overwhelmed about all this, don't worry. Setting up a server and handling all problems is not something you can learn in few hours or days. It is pretty expert stuff and needs a lot of experience. If you want to play with servers I'd suggest installing the server software you use in the paid server to a local Virtualbox instance, that way you'll get a sandbox which can show you many things and is recoverable. Virtualbox is not easy either, nothing with servers is. I have a procedure to set up a POTN server manually from clean install of RHEL, and it takes two hours and has 500 lines of complex CLI commands. Making that procedure solid and testing it took a month.

Don't expect to master this in short time. One big problem with all this is that you have to know the right terms and understand protocols, networking basics, http, etc. before you can ask the right questions, not to mention understanding the answers. That is how it goes with Linux, sadly.