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Jul 16, 2017 07:47 |  #1

Hi everyone I'm new to the forum. I've been using a Canon EOS 600D for 3 years now and I'm looking to upgrade to a full frame camera, preferably Canon.

I'm interested in landscape photography, astrophotography, car/motorbike photography and portraits. Weather sealed is important and image quality at high ISO for astrophotography is important.

My budget will be around £2000 for a body or slightly more depending on circumstances

Any advice/help would be appreciated




  
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Jul 16, 2017 07:56 |  #2

Weather sealing really only applies to the 5 and 1 series cameras and even then it is never totally sealed. It also requires lenses that have sealing rings at the mount surface. Do you own any lenses for full frame or just the EF-S series for your current camera?

Most likely you will be looking at a 5D Mark III used or refurbished.


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Jul 16, 2017 08:12 |  #3

Doesn't have to be water proof. I live in Wales, UK and it rains a lot here so chances are on some of my shoots the weather won't be great. Yeah just the kit lens for my 600D at the moment, I was looking at the Rokinon 24mm f1.4 lens just because it's meant to be better than the Canon equivalent for astrophotography. And I can get the 5D Mark III new here for £1999




  
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Jul 16, 2017 08:20 |  #4

Petie53 is one generation behind. The 7D2 is, and the 6D2 will be, weather-sealed. As he states, no Canon DSLR is totally sealed.

The 80D (aps-c) is hugely better at high-ISO than any other aps-c Canon body. The 6D (best-high ISO Canon body when it was new... 5 years ago) is less than one-stop better. The 6D2 should improve on that. The 6D is (very) slightly better at high-ISO than the 5D3. The 6D & 5D4 can AF at -3EV; the 5D3 at -2EV.

Canon has been making strides in sensor dynamic range, and high-ISO abilities lately. For what I do with a camera, ISO is no longer and issue. I don't mind shooting my 80D at 16000, or my 6D at 25600, when necessary. I like a lot of the new features on my 80D: anti-flicker, killer AF, DPAF for LV & video, flippy screen. Canon does not currently sell a camera with all the combined features of the 6D & 80D. The 5D4 comes close; it lacks the flippy screen. The 6D2, to be released in about 10 days, does offer all the combined features of the 6D & 80D. The only thing that concerns me about that body is the AF-point spread.


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Jul 16, 2017 08:38 |  #5

It's not a problem as I won't be submerging it in to water but there's been times when I've set my camera up for a timelapse and it's started raining or going out early in the winter mornings in the fog. If worst comes to the worst I could set up a tarp over the camera.

I couldn't imagine going to a camera now without the pull out screen so that's kind of essential for me because it's come in handy so many times and I play guitar so if I'm recording a video and the camera is pointed at me then I need to be able to see the screen.

Bear in mind I'm not a professional with cameras and am still learning, I try to use manual focus whenever I can




  
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Jul 16, 2017 08:43 |  #6

Sony A7S used or new based on what you're wanting to do. Most of what you're looking to do basically is a dyanmic range and/or high ISO application, other than portrait or bike shots, where the A7S handidly delivers significantly better results. It's pixels are light buckets. It can use Canon glass (not that it matters, since you're looking at Rokinon 24mm F1.4, which is a very excellent wide field astro lens).

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Jul 16, 2017 08:55 |  #7

kyleriffs wrote in post #18403210 (external link)
It's not a problem as I won't be submerging it in to water but there's been times when I've set my camera up for a timelapse and it's started raining or going out early in the winter mornings in the fog. If worst comes to the worst I could set up a tarp over the camera.

I couldn't imagine going to a camera now without the pull out screen so that's kind of essential for me because it's come in handy so many times and I play guitar so if I'm recording a video and the camera is pointed at me then I need to be able to see the screen.

Bear in mind I'm not a professional with cameras and am still learning, I try to use manual focus whenever I can

If you use the video features of your camera, you really should investigate the latest version of Canon's DPAF. If you use it once, you won't buy a camera without it. The 80D, 6D2, and 5DIV have it; no others. The 80D and 6D2 have flippy screens. The 5DIV does not.


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Jul 16, 2017 09:33 as a reply to  @ Bassat's post |  #8

Thank you for the recommendation but I try to avoid Sony products if I can. I'm guessing the 6D2 is the Canon EOS 6D Mark II?




  
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Jul 16, 2017 09:48 |  #9

kyleriffs wrote in post #18403223 (external link)
Thank you for the recommendation but I try to avoid Sony products if I can. I'm guessing the 6D2 is the Canon EOS 6D Mark II?

Yes, it's a common shorthand convention.


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Jul 16, 2017 10:38 |  #10

kyleriffs wrote in post #18403210 (external link)
I couldn't imagine going to a camera now without the pull out screen so that's kind of essential for me because it's come in handy so many times and I play guitar so if I'm recording a video and the camera is pointed at me then I need to be able to see the screen.

All current Canon FF cameras don't have pull out LCD screens. It doesn't look like Canon will ever be including that feature in their higher end 1D/5D bodies (probably because if it's for pro video use, you'll have a separate LCD monitor). For your situations, it sounds like going with the 80D will be a worthwhile upgrade. The only FF that meets the criteria is the upcoming 6D2.


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Jul 16, 2017 11:18 |  #11

Looks like it's going to be the 6D Mark II for now, the only thing that's putting me off is the lack of a dual card slot




  
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Jul 16, 2017 11:22 |  #12

I think you are on the right track. Sounds like 6D2 from what I am reading. It's the only EOS Full frame with an articulated screen.

Personally, although I like dual slots (and use them!) I would not consider it a deal breaker, especially for any camera with built in Wifi (which only one of all the EOS bodies I have owned has had, ie: 5D4, including 7 with dual slots...)

IF one were to have a shoot where redundancy was absolutely required, remember the 6D2 has built in wifi, so the "second card" could be an off camera wifi device like your phone, tablet, etc..


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Jul 16, 2017 11:23 |  #13

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Looks like it's going to be the 6D Mark II for now, the only thing that's putting me off is the lack of a dual card slot

There are a variety of reasons of 'needing' dual card slots...but digital cameras did NOT come with dual slots 10 years ago; what are your perceived reasons to need dual card slots?


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Jul 16, 2017 11:27 |  #14

Wilt wrote in post #18403291 (external link)
.....but digital cameras did NOT come with dual slots 10 years ago; ...

Well, not many. :)


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Jul 16, 2017 11:41 |  #15

I've used a lot of different 35mm film cameras. Not one of them could handle more than one roll at a time. :)

Buy a bunch of small cards, a backup device, and backup often. When I need a field backup device (almost never), I use Creative Zen .mp3 players (32GB & 16GB). Both of them together are smaller than a pack of cigarettes.


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