sRGB = 2.2
Adobe RGB = 2.2
Prophoto RGB = 1.8
L*A*B* = ?
texshooter Senior Member 652 posts Likes: 26 Joined Jun 2009 More info | Jul 22, 2017 02:24 | #1 sRGB = 2.2
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Bassat "I am still in my underwear." 8,075 posts Likes: 2742 Joined Oct 2015 More info | Jul 22, 2017 04:00 | #2 Permanent ban???!
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BigAl007 Cream of the Crop 8,120 posts Gallery: 556 photos Best ofs: 1 Likes: 1682 Joined Dec 2010 Location: Repps cum Bastwick, Gt Yarmouth, Norfolk, UK. More info | Jul 22, 2017 08:36 | #3 LAB is not a colour space, in the same way that RGB and CMYK are not colour spaces. ProPhotoRGB, AdobeRGB, and sRGB are all ways of defining how you move from the three Red, Green, and Blue, primary colour values that make up the image data, to a physical colour produced by any specific output device. Effectively it is defining just what shade of orange pink or blue any particular set of three values should have. The thing is that we can describe colour in many different ways, RGB values being one of them.
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texshooter THREAD STARTER Senior Member 652 posts Likes: 26 Joined Jun 2009 More info Post edited over 6 years ago by texshooter. | So if I import an untagged photo of a 21-step grayscale wedge into Photoshop ("untagged" meaning there is no color space assigned to the image), then what number value does the middle gray patch have, if any? If I send the photo to the printer, doesn't the printer need a number value so it can know how much ink to lay down? All the instructions for printing color charts and step wedges say to print the file without a color space assigned. How is that even possible? The printer driver doesnt have eyeballs. It cant "see" the step wedge. It can only digest numbers. But no color space means no numbers.
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BigAl007 Cream of the Crop 8,120 posts Gallery: 556 photos Best ofs: 1 Likes: 1682 Joined Dec 2010 Location: Repps cum Bastwick, Gt Yarmouth, Norfolk, UK. More info | Jul 22, 2017 13:58 | #5 Well you don't want to be using Lab colour for that, you need to convert to RGB, or greyscale. If the image is a true gray scale image it will have a single luminosity value for each pixel, in either 8 or 16 bits, although using 32 bit would also be possible. When using grey scale you usually have the choice of using a gamma of 1.8 or 2.2. A true grey scale image obviously cannot have a colour space, since it has no colour data.
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texshooter THREAD STARTER Senior Member 652 posts Likes: 26 Joined Jun 2009 More info Post edited over 6 years ago by texshooter. (2 edits in all) | Jul 23, 2017 13:22 | #6 BigAl007 wrote in post #18408591 A true grey scale image obviously cannot have a colour space, since it has no colour data. i thought the Gray Gamma 2.2 space is really a type of RGB color space because each pixel has a R=G=B value. So it does have color data. --------------- The other option is to use an RGB image, where for something like a grey scale wedge you would simply have R=G=B, which in the absence of a colour space profile should show as grey. The issue with this is that with printers especially passing any triplet that is R=G=B many not actually result in a print that is totally neutral in tone colour wise. I'm looking into B&W printing via the Epson ABW mode which I understand is optimized for the aRGB 2.2 color space. The ABW driver is suppose to yield a neutral tone despite the triplet R=G=B. --------------- When it comes to printing a test print to profile your printer the best way to do that is to simply turn off colour management in BOTH Ps and the printer driver. In other words in each case set it so that the colour management is being done by the other system. If neither PS nor the printer driver manages color, what is this other system you speak of? --------------- An RGB image without an assigned colour profile still has three numbers associated with it, but it lacks any means of knowing exactly what red, green, or blue really represents. If the image has no color space, what are these three numbers you speak of? Do you mean L*a*b numbers? Correct me if I'm wrong. Every pixel of an image has a L*a*b* number value regardless of its encoded color space or even if the image has no color space tagged to it. If an image with no color space tagged to it is sent to the printer, the printer uses the L*a*b* values. But if the image has the sRGB color space tagged to it, the printer ignores the L*a*b* value and uses the R,G,B (0-256) values, instead. In order for an image to have three R,G,B numbers associated with it, it must have an RGB color space tagged to it because the R,G,B pixel values come from the RGB color space (eg, sRGB, aRGB, Prophoto, etc). --------------- The working profile sRGB was designed to match the actual output from the average crt monitor from around 1995. Most monitors come standardized with a 2.2 gamma curve, so why does an image require a color space tagged to it to render correctly on screen. In theory, I would expect the aRGB 2.2 gamma correcting color space to double up with the monitor's 2.2 gamma correction to produce an result that is way too dark and contrast. But of course that does not happen . Why? Alan
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BigAl007 Cream of the Crop 8,120 posts Gallery: 556 photos Best ofs: 1 Likes: 1682 Joined Dec 2010 Location: Repps cum Bastwick, Gt Yarmouth, Norfolk, UK. More info | Jul 23, 2017 19:53 | #7 Lab is NOT equal to RGB! You can either be RGB Exclusive OR Lab Exclusive OR CMYK. Of course you can convert from working in one domain to another, and there are obviously numerical equations that will convert from one to the other. For what you are trying to do you need to completely forget about Lab or CMYK colours.
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