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Flashpoint Studio 300/400 R2 (SK II) is here

 
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Jul 23, 2017 01:51 |  #1

I have been watching the Adorama's Flashpoint Studio R2 strobes, they are finally available last week.

https://www.adorama.co​m/fplfs300b.html (external link)

I ordered the 400 version because the spec indicates faster cycle time than the 300. After playing with it a few days, here is my user experience with it.

The Flashpoint Studio R2 line is the rebrand of Godox SK II, basically a light weight budget strobe with R2/Xi receiver built in. It comes with a 6" (six) reflector which won't take the standard 7" grid.

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The Bowens mount is made of steel, the reflector plate behind flash tube is aluminum. There is a built in fan behind the flash head blowing air toward the front and through the reflector plate. The fan is very quiet (kind of weak). Rest of the body is made of hard plastic. The fit and finish are quite smooth. The flash tube is sticking out about one inch from the mount.

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If you are familiar with the R2/X1 system, you can operate the Studio R2 without reading any instruction. Press the Group and S1 button together will turn the X1 receiver mode on/off, do all the adjustment from the R2 trigger.

The modeling light (150W) has 3 modes: OFF - Proportion - Manual (5%-100%). The R2 trigger can turn on/off the modeling lamp by pressing the CH twice, but can not switch between Prop and M mode.

The Studio R2 has 1/16 minimum power, if R2 trigger is set below that, the strobe will just stay at 1/16 on the LED screen, which is very bright and clear.

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Compare to the AD200, it's about 4 times of size, 2X weight, 2X power, 1/2 price, about the same recycle time.

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Since this is a low price strobe, some of the more advance features not available are: TTL, power auto dump, and HSS. It's a relatively slow speed strobe, but on the flip side it can do Hypersync (long burn) in some capacity. With R2/X1 dialing in some delay (mine was +24), I can shoot up to 1/8000 without any black line at the bottom of the frame. But there is the gradient effect of brightness from top to bottom of the frame. Not that I will use this strobe for HSS stuff, but I was surprised it has that capacity, even though it's limited.

An example at 1/16. Normal sync

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Hypersync

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Two questions I had before I purchase the strobe.

1) How is the consistency of the power output?
I did some quick tests. For the brightness test, I did 10 pops meter measurement each at max and minimum power, and got the same F number each set. Then I took took 10 shots each with the camera, brought in the computer, with my naked eyes I didn't see much of variance in color in each set, in my opinion they are within the +/- 200k spec. I have been using the AD200 lot longer, and I don't notice any difference between it and the Studio R2. Maybe the minimum 1/16 power helps in that regard.

2)Is the min 1/16 power low enough?
Well, I bounce it off a 43" umbrella, I got F3.2 at 6 feet from the strobe head, so there maybe difficulties for close up/table top at F2.8. On the other hand, we can never have enough strobe power :) Anyway, quick reference of the 3 strobes at 6 feet with their supplied reflector at their extreme ends of power..

AD200 (200Ws, 1/128 min) F2.5 - F25
Studio 400 R2 (400Ws, 1/16) F5.6 - F22
PCB Einstein (640Ws, 1/256) F2 - F29


OK, that's my quick review. Overall, the build quality is good, the price is unbelievably low. Though the 1/16 minimum setting could be limited depends on what you shoot, but for indoor shooters who need modeling light and in transition to the R2/X1 system, The Flashpoint Studio R2 strobes are valuable choice.

Thanks to Godox for contingently pumping out more cool lights, and kudos to Adorama for bring them us with such affordable prices.

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Jul 23, 2017 08:09 |  #2

I keep thinking we've reached the bottom on pricing for flashes and strobes, and then prices drop yet again. Really amazing what you can get nowadays.


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Jul 25, 2017 13:03 |  #3

Ya for $120 and 300ws with a bright standard modeling lamp this really kills the alien bee pricing. This also has the R2 integration.

if the dual bracket AD200 doesn't have bright enough LED then I'll buy ONE of these 300w lights for the studio as a main light.

I mean shoot... for about $500 you can have 4 of these and a trigger. How can anyone touch that pricing?


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Jul 26, 2017 01:16 |  #4

Talley wrote in post #18410989 (external link)
Ya for $120 and 300ws with a bright standard modeling lamp this really kills the alien bee pricing. This also has the R2 integration.

if the dual bracket AD200 doesn't have bright enough LED then I'll buy ONE of these 300w lights for the studio as a main light.

I mean shoot... for about $500 you can have 4 of these and a trigger. How can anyone touch that pricing?

I started to replace my Alien Bees. Not that the PCB lights are bad, but once got use to the X1 system, it's hard to go back.


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Jul 26, 2017 21:14 |  #5

The only real negative I see are the slow recycle times. How effective is the modelling lamp on this unit?




  
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Jul 26, 2017 23:25 |  #6

jake14mw wrote in post #18412163 (external link)
The only real negative I see are the slow recycle times. How effective is the modelling lamp on this unit?

Recycle time at full power is 2 seconds, not bad for 400 Ws light.

The modeling lamp is bright even with the double diffused softbox in the studio environment. It does get hot if left on high for extended time, but can be remotely turned off from the R2/X1 trigger.


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Nov 04, 2018 08:29 |  #7

Any thoughts on which model (300 vs 400) might be more appropriate for lighting backgrounds or a hair light? I currently have two Explor 600's for main and fill.
How is reliability panning out on these?




  
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Nov 04, 2018 15:03 |  #8

silvermesa1 wrote in post #18743625 (external link)
Any thoughts on which model (300 vs 400) might be more appropriate for lighting backgrounds or a hair light? I currently have two Explor 600's for main and fill.
How is reliability panning out on these?

Where do you find yourself shooting with the 600? If you are running lower power you might find the 1/16 minimum power of either of these units hard to balance power with the 600. Have you tried a speedlight as hairlight?


Fwiw, I just checked the prices 300 is going for $99 and the 400 is $109. Great deals, I wish they made a 600.


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Nov 04, 2018 18:29 as a reply to  @ Left Handed Brisket's post |  #9

I have been mainly using the Explor 600 outdoors as fill anywhere between 1/32 to 1/2 power. Not sure about inside. I have not tried a speedlight as a hair light yet.




  
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Nov 04, 2018 19:09 |  #10

Having 8-9 stops is a nice feature in a strobe, the 300/400 having only 5 might be limiting.

The 300 at its 1/16 lowest setting is theoretically the same power as your 600 at 1/32. So if you want the 300 at a stop or two under the 600 you would need to run it at 1/16 or 1/8 minimum.

Depending on your modifiers, distances, f/stop etc. that might be fine. If you're shooting at
F/2 with a high efficiency modifier, the 600 at 1/8 is a lot of light. Of course you can make the 300 the main and 600 the hair light since it can be dialed down lower.


If you can do some testing with a speedlight as a hairlight it might be worth checking out to get an idea.


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Nov 23, 2018 07:03 as a reply to  @ silvermesa1's post |  #11

Sorry for the late reply. After a year of moderate usage, the strobe is still going strong. As for 300vs400, I also have the Explore 600, I would choose the 300 because I shoot F2.8 or wilder often, and I don't like to operate the strobe at minimum power (less flexible). Plus I don't need that much power for the hair light, as it's placed relatively close the subject.

After acquired more battery powered strobes, my regular strobes see lot less action. But when the modeling lights are required, they are still indispensable. I replaced my SK II modeling light with a LED one, and I use it as the mobile work light more often than as a strobe :-D

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Nov 25, 2018 12:00 |  #12

What does the led light look like? I'd like to switch to a bulb that doesn't stick outside the modifier it comes with.


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The Flashpoint SK II comes with the 6" reflector, the supplied bulb already sticks out reflector by a hair. Works fine with the standard 7" reflector though. Anyway, the OEM bulb is 4 inch in length, the LED 'Corn Bulb' I got about a year ago is 4.75", so it seats flush with the 7" reflector, and cant use with a grid.

However, there a new LEDs that are the same size as incandescent bulb..

https://www.amazon.com …&colid=16OCHF9X​47WRR&th=1 (external link)

If you don't mind the longer size, they sell corn bulbs that are stronger then 50W.

Most of the LEDs are non-dimmable. This is the dimmable version I am ordering to test out..

https://www.amazon.com …sc=0&ref_=lv_ov​_lig_dp_it (external link)

The LED I have now is 15W, brightnes compares to a 150W hot modeling light..

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Nov 26, 2018 16:51 |  #14

Posts like these are why I come here. Thanks!

Lotto wrote in post #18758668 (external link)
The Flashpoint SK II comes with the 6" reflector, the supplied bulb already sticks out reflector by a hair. Works fine with the standard 7" reflector though. Anyway, the OEM bulb is 4 inch in length, the LED 'Corn Bulb' I got about a year ago is 4.75", so it seats flush with the 7" reflector, and cant use with a grid.

However, there a new LEDs that are the same size as incandescent bulb..

https://www.amazon.com …&colid=16OCHF9X​47WRR&th=1 (external link)

If you don't mind the longer size, they sell corn bulbs that are stronger then 50W.

Most of the LEDs are non-dimmable. This is the dimmable version I am ordering to test out..

https://www.amazon.com …sc=0&ref_=lv_ov​_lig_dp_it (external link)

The LED I have now is 15W, brightnes compares to a 150W hot modeling light..

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Dec 03, 2018 12:50 as a reply to  @ Lotto's post |  #15

Missed this! Thank you so very much for a great explanation and pictures!


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