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DaviSto wrote in post #18442882
I agree it's not a very important discussion ... but there is a point to it.

Some replies include very long quotes from earlier posts ... even when, perhaps, that's just the immediate post ahead of them.

This is indeed true. Not only long quotes but sometimes 4-8 pictures are in that quote just so the poster can go....'I love these'. It's also one of those things that many people do here that there is little chance of changing.

What OhLook said above is the way it should be done.

However, it's not the way it is done.

One of the first things we learned regarding text was how to highlight the text & press the DEL button. Given that we're all supposed to be creative people, I submit that this whole thread is a waste of time & creativity when it's so effin' easy to just edit the quote to the relevant bits & get on with the subject.

Don't you think that Pekka has better things to do when the solution to this non-problem is so easy?

saea501 wrote in post #18442888
sometimes 4-8 pictures are in that quote .... one of those things that many people do here that there is little chance of changing.

I agree with you, we are not easily going to change the way people use the site. But my small proposal would mean that this would be less inconvenient to others.

PhotosGuy wrote in post #18442895
I submit that this whole thread is a waste of time & creativity when it's so effin' easy to just edit the quote to the relevant bits.

Pekka has better things to do when the solution to this non-problem is so easy?

Yes .. except that people (in numbers) don't do the effin' easy and obvious. It isn't an issue that is going to go away because we ask people to behave better. It's also not the 'end of the world' if things don't change ... and I am sure Pekka has plenty else on his plate.

You do know the post window is a TEXT editor and all text, quotes included, can be very easily edited.

I, for one, tend to remove unneeded parts of a quote or split a quote into sections when responding.

If you don't want a particular quote (or part thereof) simply select it and hit the delete key or backspace key. No special button needed for this.

-- Sorry, responded before seeing Photosguy's post.

OK ... but Duck, who are you addressing this complaint towards?

I don't see any complaint.

Duck was simply making a statement.

saea501 wrote in post #18442943
I don't see any complaint.

Duck was simply making a statement.

Ok ... 'remark' would have been a better word. I just wasn't sure who Duck was replying to ... who 'you' was.

DaviSto wrote in post #18442909
OK ... but Duck, who are you addressing this complaint towards?

saea501 wrote in post #18442943
I don't see any complaint.

Duck was simply making a statement.

DaviSto wrote in post #18442961
Ok ... 'remark' would have been a better word. I just wasn't sure who Duck was replying to ... who 'you' was.

As I didn't quote anyone it should be assumed my comment is directed to the OP. But then, isn't this a thread about minimizing the use of quotes?

A few things to note:

1. When you reply to a post using REPLY or QUOTE, the reply is placed to the end of the thread. You see the reply appear after the post you replied to, but this is just for convenience (you can continue browsing without jumping back and forth). What that means, is that readers can not see the post you replied to and your reply in SUCCESSION, unless they really are done so that no other replies are found in between the two. That is why quoting is very useful, and a preferred reply method IMHO.

2. Length of the quotes:
Only the one who replies to a post knows what should be quoted and what is unnecessary. When you reply only to one sentence of a long post, you should edit the quote - simple as that. To pose some questions like "do not really want to quote the whole post" when the quote exceeds certain length is definitely possible, but I definitely do not want to make them happen as they address a minor problem of some member's behavior with a hammer that hits everyone.

Quote display length is visually reduced in a more refined manner in the next version, Later, I can even make a personal quote max height (pixels) display setting if needed (default is now 300 pixels max).

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DaviSto wrote in post #18442903
Yes .. except that people (in numbers) don't do the effin' easy and obvious. It isn't an issue that is going to go away because we ask people to behave better. It's also not the 'end of the world' if things don't change ... and I am sure Pekka has plenty else on his plate.

I can't disagree. Out of the tens of thousands of forum members, some few will never "Get It". That will never change, so I, for one, won't beat my head against that particular wall.

Pekka wrote in post #18443025
A few things to note:
1. When you reply to a post using REPLY or QUOTE, the reply is placed to the end of the thread. You see the reply appear after the post you replied to, but this is just for convenience (you can continue browsing without jumping back and forth).

This is POTN specific and I never seen it before on other forums. Personally I leave the thread or jump pages after posting a reply and re-enter to order the postings in the expected way. I am totally used to doing that now.

That is why I suggested the pop-up with the text version of the replied to or quoted to posting and you only jump back to the replied to in the thread if you click/tap READ FULL POSTING.

So if you argument that you want want to show both, the original posting and the reply then that could be that scrollable pop-up. In this way you have a real focus/zoom on effect on those two messages and that is more natural then jumping around, when clicking/tapping the ...reply to.... line.

You made me to evolve the pop-up version to a more natural communicating information and thanks for that. This combines quote and reply to to one way of displaying and does even made the question of a user wants to fully quote, obsolete. This only applies to single quotes and not to multi/split quotes. In the pop-up you can add a button that activate the displaying of the pictures in both postings, quoted and reply.

OK, look at the limitation on posting pictures when using the hosting facilities of POTN. It is ignored many times and this proves that members will use what is not limited, despite the rules state that it is not allowed to use the facilities of POTN in that way. When trusting members to quote responsible I don't have much trust in that anymore.

I am referring to the rule: you may attach *) maximum of two (2) photos per thread. This means: you may attach up to 2 photos when you start a new thread. You may attach additional photos if requested, but only in a reply to other member's post and request.

Quote display length is visually reduced in a more refined manner in the next version, Later, I can even make a personal quote max height (pixels) display setting if needed (default is now 300 pixels max).

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Yes that would a good step however I arrived already at the next level and if the scrollable pop-up is possible then that would be preferable. More focus/zoom on a posting and reply is not possible. I already excluded the multi/split quote because users who do that are 99.9% knowing what they are doing...and it a yes to your question after reading the last sentence.

On the whole I am very pleased with the responses in this thread and there are many different views. I only wish the best for POTN otherwise I would not stick my neck out and just curse quietly and scroll on or look at an other thread.

Addition: the pop-up could also be an overlay if that is better scalable to the different screens sizes.
Addition two: after posting you and using the then combined button then, instead of showing the reply underneath the replied to posting the same pop-up / overlay is used. The replier rereads or scans the text and original post and press close or choose to edit the posting just submitted.

For the replier are the following buttons are shown, in that pop-up / overlay. Right-top a close cross, three buttons on the bottom. SHOW PICS, EDIT and BACK TO THREAD
For a reader are the following buttons are shown, in that pop-up / overlay. Right-top a close cross, two buttons on the bottom. SHOW PICS and BACK TO THREAD

Conclusion:

One screen review screen for the replier, Single QUOTE + REPLY and for the reader a single screen for focus/zoom replacing the single quoted text and replied to jump. This cleans up different views and interactions to one view. Multi Quote and Split quote will be still the way like it now is, and also attracts more attention then now between other quoted postings.

mmmfotografie wrote in post #18443110
This is POTN specific and I never seen it before on other forums. Personally I leave the thread after posting a reply and re-enter to order the postings in the expected way. I am totally used to doing that now.

I don't get why you do that, but you have right to do it any way you like

So you would like to remove images from quote and direct people to see the quoted images in original post? What if there are nothing but images? What if the quoted text is really long and needs the images to be understandable? Wouldn't a requirement to go to another page to see what is discussed make things much harder than simply quoting the post in full?

Perhaps you could give an example (flow chart, mockup) or the flow of things in your suggestion. I still do not see what you're really after.

The upload rule is not widely known, and that will be addressed in the future. You may have noticed that in current forums common problem with exceeding max. number of embedded images is handled automatically, as is bumping in marketplace and many other things. I have already made tests where successive uploads are automatically prohibited. Implementing that will still take time, people always will find a work around and the automatic moderation code has to take those into account. That code is not a priority job at the moment.

Thanks, all suggestions and comments are welcome. Even if many do not end up being coded, they do provide food for thought and I get to see how people see and use the forums in different ways and perspectives.

I have just put an conclusion to that posting and start a new post to answer yours.

Pekka wrote in post #18443121
So you would like to remove images from quote and direct people to see the quoted images in original post? What if there are nothing but images? What if the quoted text is really long and needs the images to be understandable? Wouldn't a requirement to go to another page to see what is discussed make things much harder than simply quoting the post in full?

I don't want to remove the images but they are not show on entering the pop-up / overlay and are replaced by text links. If there is no text in the reply and replied to posting, then you can show a pop-up / overlay with a slide show of the posted pictures.

When the reader clicks/taps the ...reply to... line, the pop-up / overlay (yes this is another page but you are focussing/showing only the relevant content) which shows the text version of the posting replied to and the reply. There is no difference any more between single quote and reply to because the single quote and reply are always shown.

There is still a way if someone wants to edit a single quote or want to record any changes made by writer of the replied to posting after the reply. For this there is in Quote TOOLS the QUOTE ABOVE POST that can be clicked. This also triggers the same procedure as Multi Quote and Split Quote and the single quote is displayed directly in the reply.
In this way the user has to do an extra step to single quote, if editing or recording the replied to posting.

Surprisingly the tools are all there and the new part is the screen for focussing/zooming to the specific two postings.

Images, you can display text links that can be clicked/tapped to display that specific image or the reader can click/tap the button on the bottom of the screen SHOW PICS (plural). The screen is then refreshed and shows only the clicked/tapped picture or all the pictures if that is chosen by the reader or replier.

There is only one pop-up / overlay version for all. Two versions, one for the replier and one for the reader.

addition: the ...reply to... line is only displayed on postings without direct quotes in it. The quote itself has a link: wrote in post #xxxxxxx
addition two: conversion of current postings is straightforward. ...reply to... does not jump back but display now replied to and reply in pop-up/overlay. All existing direct quoted in posting can be left unchanged.

pfffffffffffffff going to have some sleep now.