Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Index  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear  •   • Reviews
Guest
New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear  •   • Reviews
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Photography Talk by Genre General Photography Talk 
Thread started 13 Sep 2017 (Wednesday) 20:09
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)

Photog makes poor decisions ...

 
texkam
"Just let me be a stupid photographer."
Avatar
1,215 posts
Likes: 488
Joined Mar 2012
Location: By The Lake in Big D
Post edited 9 months ago by texkam.
     
Sep 13, 2017 20:09 |  #1

.... and social media whines about it.

https://petapixel.com …nt-viral-wasnt-paid-dime/ (external link)




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)
Sibil
Cream of the Crop
6,863 posts
Likes: 17964
Joined Jan 2009
Location: SoCal
     
Sep 13, 2017 20:31 |  #2

I wonder how a casual photographer prepares himself/herself for a day like that.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
davesrose
Title Fairy still hasn't visited me!
3,229 posts
Likes: 359
Joined Apr 2007
Location: Atlanta, GA
     
Sep 13, 2017 20:44 |  #3

Kudos for trying to save the manatee. Should have tried to find intrinsic value in that. As someone in a related field of graphics, I know how things have devolved for intellectual property in the internet. A post on Facebook is pretty much public domain now...if you had filed copyright before, may be worth some financial fight. But as is, it's something that's a learning experience.


Canon 5D mk III , 7D mk II
EF 135mm 2.0L, EF 70-200mm 2.8L IS II, EF 24-70 2.8L II, EF 50mm 1.4, EF 100mm 2.8L Macro, EF 16-35mm 4L IS, Sigma 150-600mm C, 580EX, 600EX-RT, MeFoto Globetrotter tripod, grips, Black Rapid RS-7, CAMS plate and strap system, Lowepro Flipside 500 AW, and a few other things...
smugmug (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
K ­ Soze
Goldmember
Avatar
1,623 posts
Gallery: 75 photos
Best ofs: 1
Likes: 2938
Joined Dec 2011
Post edited 10 months ago by K Soze.
     
Sep 13, 2017 20:53 |  #4

I don't think he was whining about it. I think he misunderstood, and still does not how to submit a press photo to sell. You need an agreement in place BEFORE you get that viral shot or you need something so exclusive you can sit on it for a day or more to get an agreement. The manatee is like a viral cat picture, it pulls on the sympathy strings at the moment. A day later and the news would have moved on.


I try to make art by pushing buttons

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Naturalist
Adrift on a lonely vast sea
Avatar
5,158 posts
Gallery: 50 photos
Likes: 385
Joined May 2007
Location: Tallgrass prairies of northwest Minnesota
     
Sep 13, 2017 21:53 |  #5

Yes, he was not whining, just alerting others and he was happy to get the credit, when he got it.

For the record, "$5,000 per stranded manatee image" and stick to your guns because no one else has a stranded manatee photo. You can always negotiate down. But I think USA news outlets AP and UPI would have to pay the most first as they distribute to FOX news and others from there.


Doug
My Gear List
http://www.douglasbrow​nsr.com (external link)
Entered: 2-16-84 Passed: 5-22-84 Raised: 6-19-84

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
texkam
THREAD ­ STARTER
"Just let me be a stupid photographer."
Avatar
1,215 posts
Likes: 488
Joined Mar 2012
Location: By The Lake in Big D
     
Sep 13, 2017 23:20 |  #6

Perhaps a better headline would read ... I Shot a Hurricane Irma Photo That Went Viral, and I didn't know how to respond to usage requests. So yeah, I'll soften the whining comment.

Anyway, social media is vilifying AP, saying shame on them for being underhanded. Is it the media's responsibility or obligation to initiate a compensation amount? If an independent photog stands fast on their fee won't the AP either seek out another photo for less, preferably from an AP shooter, or simply choose to pass on the story? While this article is informative for uneducated photographers, business negotiations are a two way street. With no usage permission from the shooter, the image doesn't get run by the Fox Newsdesk, then by AP and the world. So it's not like this image was destined to go viral.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Dan ­ Marchant
Do people actually believe in the Title Fairy?
Avatar
4,975 posts
Gallery: 19 photos
Likes: 1261
Joined Oct 2011
Location: Where I'm from is unimportant, it's where I'm going that counts.
Post edited 10 months ago by Dan Marchant.
     
Sep 14, 2017 02:39 |  #7

texkam wrote in post #18451745 (external link)
If an independent photog stands fast on their fee won't the AP either seek out another photo for less, preferably from an AP shooter, or simply choose to pass on the story?

They might choose one of those options but they might also choose option 3, which is "pay". While they are happy to try it on many outlets do pay because they know that they will earn from it.

Even if they do choose option 1 or 2 that is fine too. If they use your image they will earn money from it. If they aren't willing to share that benefit with you why would you want to give them permission.


Dan Marchant
Website/blog: danmarchant.com (external link)
Instagram: @dan_marchant (external link)
Gear Canon 5DIII + Fuji X-T2 + lenses + a plastic widget I found in the camera box.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Goodform
Member
34 posts
Likes: 11
Joined Jan 2009
     
Sep 14, 2017 08:47 |  #8

Interesting read. I've often wondered how this issue works or what I would do if faced with a similar situation.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
TooManyShots
Cream of the Crop
10,203 posts
Likes: 512
Joined Jan 2008
Location: NYC
     
Sep 14, 2017 09:42 |  #9
bannedPermanent ban

Is not his fault. He didn't have plans or goals about this photography in general. And this is obviously an one time thing. I think the more people would realize that they should be paid for their photos, the better for all photographers. Since he was getting plenty of photo requests, at one point, one agency would pay him. The rest? They would lose out and probably won't get the necessary photos to depict the damages Irma has caused.


One Imaging Photography (external link) and my Flickr (external link)
Facebook (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
MatrixBlackRock
Member
35 posts
Likes: 9
Joined Aug 2017
Location: La Belle FL USA
     
Sep 26, 2017 08:49 |  #10

That's not so much a whine just lamenting about not being prepared to answer the question about licensing.

He should of tossed out a number and see if they bit, I know for a fact FOX News producers are authorized to pay $500 for a photo or clip, NBC Miami will go $300, FOX Miami/WSVN will offer to credit the photographer and then steal the photo anyway which as they have discovered can get quite expensive in my case it was $15K the ended up paying out.

Wayne




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Sibil
Cream of the Crop
6,863 posts
Likes: 17964
Joined Jan 2009
Location: SoCal
     
Sep 26, 2017 09:04 |  #11

MatrixBlackRock wrote in post #18460722 (external link)
.......which as they have discovered can get quite expensive in my case it was $15K the ended up paying out.

Wow




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
texkam
THREAD ­ STARTER
"Just let me be a stupid photographer."
Avatar
1,215 posts
Likes: 488
Joined Mar 2012
Location: By The Lake in Big D
     
Sep 26, 2017 09:28 |  #12

That's not so much a whine just lamenting about not being prepared to answer the question about licensing.

Agreed. I edited my post. It's really been social media that is whining about how mean the media was.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
joedlh
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
5,242 posts
Gallery: 32 photos
Likes: 386
Joined Dec 2007
Location: Long Island, NY, N. America, Sol III, Orion Spur, Milky Way, Local Group, Virgo Cluster, Laniakea.
Post edited 9 months ago by joedlh.
     
Sep 26, 2017 10:56 |  #13

"After trying to help..." This is the all too typical response of the uninformed public. It's a noble thought, but could have resulted in more harm to the creature. There are certified wildlife rescuers and rehabilitators in most states who are trained to rescue stranded critters while minimizing further harm. The photographer's first thought should have been to call them. Looking at the photograph, it's clear that getting a several hundred pound manatee into clear water on that day would have been a herculean effort. With a hurricane bearing down upon them, I don't know.

A relative once told me that he encountered a gray seal taking a nap on a beach. He assumed that it was stranded and tried be the noble human rescuer. He's lucky it didn't bite off his hand. Gray seals aren't circus performers; they're aggressive and have a mouth full of teeth.

Offering the photo to the media for a mere photo credit was another example of poor judgment. When they heard that, it probably made their day.


Joe
Gear: Kodak Instamatic, Polaroid Swinger. Oh you meant gear now. :rolleyes:
http://photo.joedlh.ne​t (external link)
Editing ok

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
BigAl007
Cream of the Crop
7,720 posts
Gallery: 526 photos
Best ofs: 1
Likes: 1483
Joined Dec 2010
Location: Repps cum Bastwick, Gt Yarmouth, Norfolk, UK.
     
Sep 27, 2017 05:43 |  #14

I wonder how long it will be before AP or one of the other agencies that have picked up this image, and are selling licences for it, hit him with a cease and desist letter for posting his own image?

Alan


My Flickr (external link)
My new Aviation images blog site (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
MatrixBlackRock
Member
35 posts
Likes: 9
Joined Aug 2017
Location: La Belle FL USA
     
Sep 27, 2017 11:42 |  #15

TooManyShots wrote in post #18452053 (external link)
I think the more people would realize that they should be paid for their photos, the better for all photographers. Since he was getting plenty of photo requests, at one point, one agency would pay him.

Very true, by giving away content for free it lowers the bar for those who make a living generating it.

Wayne




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)

7,663 views & 10 likes for this thread
Photog makes poor decisions ...
FORUMS Photography Talk by Genre General Photography Talk 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Index   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.1forum software
version 2.1 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is edwardo
470 guests, 383 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 6430, that happened on Dec 03, 2017

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.