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Sep 25, 2017 00:44 |  #16

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I will shoot both my 7D2 and 5D4 with raw+jpg, but will use the JPG out of camera probably 90% of the time as long as I dial in all the settings correctly in camera. I shoot indoor sports this way, and even the wedding yesterday. I have the raw available should I need to really adjust a photo, and did from yesterday's shoot a few times, as it was difficult to get every shot correct right from the camera.

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Sep 25, 2017 00:51 |  #17

I virtually never shoot JPG, I store in RAW!


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Sep 25, 2017 03:11 as a reply to  @ post 18459739 |  #18

I use DPP for hundreds of images, so your concern over using it for more than 1 image is surprising to me.


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Sep 25, 2017 03:40 |  #19
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I shoot in all modes, sometimes raw, sometimes jpeg, sometimes small jpeg, it all depends on what I need the image for. If I'm taking a shot of my tablesaw setting, or plumbing setup so I can reproduce things later, there is no need for a huge processing needed raw file. If I'm shooting a wedding or family event, then it's raw. I tend to use the right format for the job at hand. Like this one. o way am I going to shoot raw and process a pic. A small jpeg from the camera is fine.

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Sep 25, 2017 08:15 |  #20

Raw all the time. I have never shot in jpg.


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Sep 25, 2017 08:19 as a reply to  @ post 18459739 |  #21

As my wife would say....

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Sep 25, 2017 08:31 |  #22

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Slopped-together 2x4 joists, Romex running willy-nilly unprotected and unsecured, no fire-breaks, and a shut-off valve inside a wall? Does any of that meet code/ordinance in Texas? I can't even figure out what is going on with the vent/drain system. If you are doing this job yourself, consult a local code officer. If you are paying for this, hire someone else.

This is my old house back in Illinois and this was the work as done by the builders which is exactly why I took the picture. We've re-habed a few homes now and I am simply amazed at the shoddy work some professionals are capable of.


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Sep 25, 2017 08:49 |  #23

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This is my old house back in Illinois and this was the work as done by the builders which is exactly why I took the picture. We've re-habed a few homes now and I am simply amazed at the shoddy work some professionals are capable of.


...which brings us back to photography. 'Professional' all too often only connotes 'paid to do work', and not the level of knowledge/skill to do said work.


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Sep 25, 2017 11:14 |  #24

If a camera has an option for RAW then I will always choose that. My workflow is one that is now totally based on the use of Lr, although in certain situations I will also use ACR to process an image that is not part of my image collection. For example I'll use ACR instead of Lr when working on others sample images for POTN posts.

With Canon cameras I see no point in saving a JPEG image alongside the CR2, If you need an out of Camera JPEG DPP will chuck those out without any work needing to be done, Since DPP defaults to using the in camera settings for it's conversion, and IIRC you can even get them resized as an part of the process.

For the person wanting "Canon" Sepia conversion shooting RAW, with your in camera settings set for what you want as a DPP default, but you still have all the original sensor data, and all you need to is open it in your RAW software of choice for a different conversion. You could even quite easily change the Picture Style in DPP for a very simple change to a different set of processing.

It is this simple ease with which you can swap around your intent and change the whole conversion that keeps me shooting RAW. Since I can't change my mind about an image that I shot as a JPEG in monochrome, and convert it back to colour.

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Sep 25, 2017 11:29 |  #25

I shoot both RAW+JPEG, and maximum resolution on both as well. I can always decide what to do in post processing including deletion.




  
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Sep 25, 2017 12:58 |  #26

Most canon raw files contain a full res JPEG embedded in the raw file. You can use dcraw to extract this JPEG file for whatever reason. All of my 5D[x] cameras have included full res JPEGs in the CR2 files.

Check it yourself:


dcraw -e <filename>.CR2

where the flag "-e" will extract the JPEG and produce a file called:


<filename>.thumb.jpg.

If you want to pull all of the embedded JPEGs out of a directory of raw files, just navigate into that directory and use the command:


dcraw -e *.CR2


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Sep 25, 2017 13:23 as a reply to  @ BigAl007's post |  #27

I don't want to waste time telling DPP to convert JPG files so I can use them. CF cards are cheap, and with dual cards, storage is now doubled, so I would rather spend once for large cards then to waste time converting 500 raw files to JPG per shoot across 25 shoots a season. The time to download the files off the card is much faster than DPP conversion or tool extraction of the JPG.

I personally see no reason NOT to write out JPG with the raw if I am not space-constrained. I don't want to waste time with a tool to pull out the JPG or DPP to recreate the JPG when there is no need to do so. If you are constrained by space, then I could see that, but again CF and SD cards are always on sale with huge capacities, so why not have the camera automatically store the JPG with the raw saving time.


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Sep 25, 2017 15:47 |  #28
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gjl711 wrote in post #18459943 (external link)
This is my old house back in Illinois and this was the work as done by the builders which is exactly why I took the picture. We've re-habed a few homes now and I am simply amazed at the shoddy work some professionals are capable of.


Wilt wrote in post #18459955 (external link)
...which brings us back to photography. 'Professional' all too often only connotes 'paid to do work', and not the level of knowledge/skill to do said work.

My first thoughts, exactly.




  
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Sep 25, 2017 16:50 |  #29

kirkt wrote in post #18460167 (external link)
Most canon raw files contain a full res JPEG embedded in the raw file. You can use dcraw to extract this JPEG file for whatever reason. All of my 5D[x] cameras have included full res JPEGs in the CR2 files.

Check it yourself:

dcraw

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DCRAW is not part of Windows but is downloadable. The person that compiled the original code did not support it beyond Windows 2000 but others have picked up and compiled it for later versions.

Quesion: If I shoot with the best RAW resolution, does DCRAW have the ability to extract a high resolution JPEG as Canon defines it, in other words the "Large with Fine" with dimensions 5472 x 3648 pixels?




  
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kirkt wrote in post #18460167 (external link)
Most canon raw files contain a full res JPEG embedded in the raw file. You can use dcraw to extract this JPEG file for whatever reason. All of my 5D[x] cameras have included full res JPEGs in the CR2 files.

Check it yourself:


dcraw -e <filename>.CR2

where the flag "-e" will extract the JPEG and produce a file called:


<filename>.thumb.jpg.

If you want to pull all of the embedded JPEGs out of a directory of raw files, just navigate into that directory and use the command:


dcraw -e *.CR2


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I get it. But, what's the point? Any embedded JPG would be an 8-bit file with the parameters imposed by the Picture Style settings, WB settings, and other settings at the time the shutter was released. If you want JPG, shoot JPG. You already have the raw file, work with that. If you don't want to edit, shoot JPG. This may work, but it is way to cumbersome to be very useful.




  
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