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Better for Low Light: 7d with L glass or 6d with cheaper glass?

 
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Sep 27, 2017 06:06 |  #16

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18461279 (external link)
The 7d was certainly not one of the noisiest apsc, it was best of breed when it came out in 2009.

The 7D's RAW files look noiser to me than the T3i's RAW files. Same sensor right? I found the 7D RAW's to be overly noisy at ISO 100 with correct and often over-exposure compared to much older cameras even. I let my 7D go due to it, as everything else was great about it. Maybe mine was noiser than everyone else's?

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Sep 27, 2017 06:26 |  #17

Sibil wrote in post #18461281 (external link)
No question, 6D. And look for a used 85/1.8.

I was going to suggest the same lens combo. Used for $250 is a fabulous deal.


As far as noise is concerned, I think it is important to distinguish between luminance and chromatic noise. In my experience, even the latest crop sensors show luminance noise near base ISO. I don't see that on my 6D.

To me, chroma noise is many, many, times more of a pain in the neck and destructive to images. Canon's crop sensors,even the 7D, are doing a decent job controlling chroma noise, but the 6D is clearly better.


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Sep 27, 2017 16:24 |  #18

Low light capabilities have two parameters if flash is not involved. Aperture opening and high ISO.
6D (higher ISO) with 50 1.4 (larger aperture) will simply outperform 7D with L zoom on this regard.

AF and weddings, I don't know which weddings those who are in concern are shooting? BiF weddings?

As for some comment among the lines about FF camera with 50 mm prime on it to be VERY limited. Really? 50mm lens on 35mm camera is one of the most common and classic tools for photo-documentary. But, again, who knows what people are shooting on weddings these days instead of documenting it...


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Sep 27, 2017 19:46 |  #19

I was the second shooter at wedding this past weekend (my first.... self appointed... my best friend's wedding). I can say this, the 6D focuses in very dark rooms. I got some amazing shots with it and the 24-105 f/4 version 1, a very cost effective lens. I was sort of surprised, truth be told.

It was my first outing with my used 6D. I was more comfortable during the outdoor, beach wedding since I was using my 1D IV. I know this, the 1D IV wouldn't have gotten off a shot in the reception room... it was that dark.


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Sep 27, 2017 20:38 |  #20

Phoenixkh wrote in post #18461792 (external link)
I was the second shooter at wedding this past weekend (my first.... self appointed... my best friend's wedding). I can say this, the 6D focuses in very dark rooms. I got some amazing shots with it and the 24-105 f/4 version 1, a very cost effective lens. I was sort of surprised, truth be told.

It was my first outing with my used 6D. I was more comfortable during the outdoor, beach wedding since I was using my 1D IV. I know this, the 1D IV wouldn't have gotten off a shot in the reception room... it was that dark.

Put a 1.4 lens on it and focusing will be even better!


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Sep 27, 2017 20:40 |  #21

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18461814 (external link)
Put a 1.4 lens on it and focusing will be even better!

The fastest lens I own is a 50mm f/1.8 STM. I haven't used it much.


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Sep 27, 2017 20:45 |  #22

Phoenixkh wrote in post #18461817 (external link)
The fastest lens I own is a 50mm f/1.8 STM. I haven't used it much.

That will work too. :D

I've used the 24-105 on the 6D for events and while it does a fine job, every bit of light helps. 4 < 2.8 < 2 < 1.4 ...


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Sep 27, 2017 20:51 |  #23

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18461820 (external link)
That will work too. :D

I've used the 24-105 on the 6D for events and while it does a fine job, every bit of light helps. 4 < 2.8 < 2 < 1.4 ...

Yeah... I had to use an ISO of 12,800 to get the shutter speed up enough to freeze movement. The venue was too small for the 70-200 f/2.8 and my 100L would have been too limiting. They had a semi-professional wedding photographer and I stayed out of his way... the zoom was the only way to really keep a low profile.


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Sep 27, 2017 20:55 |  #24

MalVeauX wrote in post #18461286 (external link)
The 7D's RAW files look noiser to me than the T3i's RAW files. Same sensor right? I found the 7D RAW's to be overly noisy at ISO 100 with correct and often over-exposure compared to much older cameras even. I let my 7D go due to it, as everything else was great about it. Maybe mine was noiser than everyone else's?

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The 7D was better than the 50D especially given the much lower banding of pulled shadows and after normalization of resolution. It does seem Canon tweaked a few things with later models after the 60D. The 70D, T3 series, etc all seemed to have about 1/3 stop cleaner images noise-wise, which was slight but was an improvement.

There are copy variations too. I had 4 7Ds, and one was quite noticeably worse than the other 3, and one of those 3 was the best I had seen from many other 7Ds. So there is something to the sensor fabrications, it seems.


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Sep 30, 2017 11:07 |  #25

tomfucillo wrote in post #18461174 (external link)
...Neither of us like using flash...

I'm going to be a bit of a fly in the ointment and say that this phrase catches my eye far more than the usual cheap camera + nice lens vs nice camera + cheap lens debate. IMNSHO: I'd find another photographer to apprentice with.


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Sep 30, 2017 12:32 |  #26

KenjiS wrote in post #18461151 (external link)
The 7D has better AF than the 6D, While you can make the 6D's system work, its not on the same level as the 7D

'better' is relative!
The Canon 7D AF is sensitive down to EV -0.5 to 18
The Canon 6D AF is sensitive down to EV -3 to 18

The 7D only has ISO 100 to 6400
The 6D has ISO ISO 100 to 25600

The 6D registers light at lower levels with higher ISO setting and does so with less banding when pushing underexposed shots, and it autofocuses in light which is over 2EV dimmer, ...no question the 6D is the better of the pair.

OTOH, focus in such low light is a bit of a oxymoron to the situation...wedding guests do not freeze themselves in a pose with their facial expressions flash frozen on their faces for a seconds-long exposure in ambient light!


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Nov 01, 2017 16:50 |  #27

The truth of the matter is, tooling up to be a wedding photographer is ridiculously cheap compared to most trades.

You know the answer is that you need a big enough budget to buy not only a decent camera and lens, but also redundancy.

It's time to decide whether you want to do this seriously or not and act accordingly.


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Nov 01, 2017 18:16 as a reply to  @ Phil V's post |  #28

I'm not happy at all with the noise of my 7D, and that's of a 2x3 b&w newspaper image!! There is no way I would agree to shoot a wedding w/ the 7D. 6D, without a doubt. You do not have to buy L glass to get quality, especially with a FF. My 85mm F/1.8 is an incredible lens. The 50mm F/1.4 is also great, same with the 35mm F/2.

Go with Canon since you know it and have glass. If you want to switch, go to Nikon not Pentax. I talk with the school photographer for a small, local college because I see him at a lot of events. He was using Pentax, so I asked why. He told me that the head of the multi media department used a Pentax in the film days. The actual photographers hated it. The biggest complaint was much less choices when it comes to lenses compared to Canon/Nikon.

Until he's paying for your equipment, buy what you'd like. Just my opinion. I don't know the fine details. For instance, if he's recommending Pentax because he has a ton of equipment and thought you could use his gear???

You don't even have to go FF to improve from the 7D. Check the thread here regarding the 80D. It would be my next choice if I don't go to FF.




  
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Nov 01, 2017 18:26 |  #29

If you have noise in a wallet print from the 7d, something is amiss with either that copy or post processing. With good exposure and technique, the 7D does admirably, and was used by many a professional photographer.


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Nov 01, 2017 18:41 |  #30

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If you have noise in a wallet print from the 7d, something is amiss with either that copy or post processing.

No. Something is amiss with the ISO!! I should have mentioned that those 2x3 images are night games at horribly lit HS stadiums @ 6400.

The 7D is amazing @ sports during the day.




  
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