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My first look at Canon's new 85 mm

 
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Oct 02, 2017 20:27 |  #16

CheshireCat wrote in post #18464901 (external link)
Canon finally has a replacement for the 85/1.8. After 25 years, they just adjusted the price for inflation :p

Nah they just wanted to mimic sigma with their 24-70 release


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Oct 02, 2017 20:52 |  #17

Talley wrote in post #18464831 (external link)
not smooth bokeh... busy bokeh reminds me of the 85 1.8 and where is all the canon blacks

I hate hate hate this lens because hating this lens makes me feel better about my overhyped awesome sigma lens which will always be portrayed as inferior to the canon but still it's larger and you know what they say larger is better right i mean go ask your wife i mean well nevermind she will agree that no matter what this canon does we will always argue to the millionth degree on every detail even something like i don't like this lens because it's made of glass or it has glass or the rubber ring is made of more awesomer rubber then your girls rubbers darnit

nevermind

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Oct 03, 2017 00:52 |  #18

Talley wrote in post #18464831 (external link)
not smooth bokeh... busy bokeh reminds me of the 85 1.8 and where is all the canon blacks

I hate hate hate this lens because hating this lens makes me feel better about my overhyped awesome sigma lens which will always be portrayed as inferior to the canon but still it's larger and you know what they say larger is better right i mean go ask your wife i mean well nevermind she will agree that no matter what this canon does we will always argue to the millionth degree on every detail even something like i don't like this lens because it's made of glass or it has glass or the rubber ring is made of more awesomer rubber then your girls rubbers darnit

nevermind

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Oct 03, 2017 05:57 |  #19

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Thanks. Really, I don't think I could tell the difference.

If you own, or owned at one time, either or both the 50L and 85L II, then you know that at F1.2, both those lenses showed some pretty strong CA, yet by F1.6, and definitely F1.8, were vastly improved - almost like they were different lenses (the 85II being newer was alway better than the 50L - it was also materially sharper wide open).

Since I owned both at one time, sold both because I wanted IS lenses (purchased the Tamron 45&85 1.8 VC lenses) to work with my 5DSR, but I have also purchased the 35Lii for my 1DXii, I am also very interested in the new 85L IS - and this image at 1.6 I think I can still see some CA and the bokeh looks 'meh' - it has a bit of the 35LII sharpness mirco contrast look and bokeh feel but that shaped CA bokeh on the edges looks not so good from what I can see in that image. Should all be cleaned up at F2, like the F1.2 does, but if that is it, my Tamron isn't going anywhere.


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Oct 03, 2017 06:00 |  #20

Here are a couple of more quick snaps. I hope everyone will understand that there were lots of other photogs waiting to try this lens and I only had a few minutes to use it. These were all shot at f/1.6 if I recall correctly. For me, I don't see much difference between the results I'm getting from my new Sigma 85 ART. The Canon rep said the lens would retail for around $2200 Canadian. For a difference of $900 before tax, I don't mind the extra weight of the Sigma.


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Oct 03, 2017 06:02 |  #21

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If you own, or owned at one time, either or both the 50L and 85L II, then you know that at F1.2, both those lenses showed some pretty strong CA, yet by F1.6, and definitely F1.8, were vastly improved - almost like they were different lenses (the 85II being newer was alway better than the 50L - it was also materially sharper wide open).

Since I owned both at one time, sold both because I wanted IS lenses (purchased the Tamron 45&85 1.8 VC lenses) to work with my 5DSR, but I have also purchased the 35Lii for my 1DXii, I am also very interested in the new 85L IS - and this image at 1.6 I think I can still see some CA and the bokeh looks 'meh' - it has a bit of the 35LII sharpness mirco contrast look and bokeh feel but that shaped CA bokeh on the edges looks not so good from what I can see in that image. Should all be cleaned up at F2, like the F1.2 does, but if that is it, my Tamron isn't going anywhere.

Thanks for that, but way over my head - financially. My primes are generally consumer grade f/1.8 versions (28, 50, 85). The only reason I own the 135L and 200L II is because there are no el-cheap-O alternatives.


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Oct 03, 2017 08:33 |  #22

Talley wrote in post #18464831 (external link)
not smooth bokeh... busy bokeh reminds me of the 85 1.8 and where is all the canon blacks

I hate hate hate this lens because hating this lens makes me feel better about my overhyped awesome sigma lens which will always be portrayed as inferior to the canon but still it's larger and you know what they say larger is better right i mean go ask your wife i mean well nevermind she will agree that no matter what this canon does we will always argue to the millionth degree on every detail even something like i don't like this lens because it's made of glass or it has glass or the rubber ring is made of more awesomer rubber then your girls rubbers darnit

nevermind

That is one heckuva sentence.


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Oct 03, 2017 09:53 |  #23

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Hey, that lady used magenta tint on the tip of her hair !
That’s the only explanation. It can’t be yet another crappy Canon lens.


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Oct 03, 2017 10:05 as a reply to  @ CheshireCat's post |  #24

I have a couple of other pics of her and there is no magenta tint in them. The sunlight could be playing tricks on us in the above shot.


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Oct 03, 2017 10:07 |  #25

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Hey, that lady used magenta tint on the tip of her hair !
That’s the only explanation. It can’t be yet another crappy Canon lens.

I was going to point that out but I wanted to see someone else do it - because that is just insane. I don't want to pre-judge because Canon may have made a bunch of artistic choices with this lens to get nice rendering (50L style) but that CA (yes very white hair next to black jacket) - but that is crazy bad (but again, maybe it is a LR issue).

I'm not going to say that this lens has to be able to take pictures of blond hair, next to guys wearing dark suits, with lots of back lighting, but by definition this is something that comes up in 25% of all weddings and it better not be that bad.


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Oct 03, 2017 10:09 |  #26

Heya,

From using it:

A) Could you compare it to a common lens in terms of focus speed, slower than the 85mm F1.8 USM, but faster than say, something else? Just to get a ballpark. Have you used the 85 F1.2L and if so, compare it to that in terms of focus speed?
B) Feel well constructed? Not as heavy as the Sigma, but did it feel like a big pig on the end of the camera like the 85 F1.2L?
C) Nailed focus every time with your camera (I'd expect a 1DX to do well, but you never know)?
D) I don't suppose you were able to actually test the IS and stop it down and do a slow shutter speed test (like 1/20s, 1/40s, etc)?
E) So far, all the images with examples of distant bokeh look nervous or not very smooth, do you have other examples that show differently?

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Oct 03, 2017 10:11 |  #27

James P wrote in post #18465194 (external link)
I have a couple of other pics of her and there is no magenta tint in them. The sunlight could be playing tricks on us in the above shot.

hair tips look purple

it could be the harsh daylight, but the bokeh doesnt look very good for a 1.4 lens.


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Oct 03, 2017 10:28 |  #28

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I'm not going to say that this lens has to be able to take pictures of blond hair, next to guys wearing dark suits, with lots of back lighting, but by definition this is something that comes up in 25% of all weddings and it better not be that bad.

It is not that bad.
It is worse. That shot was taken at f/1.6.


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Oct 03, 2017 12:33 |  #29

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At a camera equipment show on October 1st, just outside London, Ont, Canada, I had a chance to use Canon's new 85mm lens, even though it was not yet available to purchase. The rep said it was the first day they were allowed to let members of the public see and use the lens. My first impressions were that the lens was light (compared to my Sigma 85), focused very fast and was a pleasure to use. I know the pictures aren't anything to write home about, but I thought I'd share them just the same.


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Oct 03, 2017 15:39 as a reply to  @ MalVeauX's post |  #30

A) The lens focused extremely fast. About the same as my Sigma 85 ART.
B) It felt very solidly constructed and nicely balanced on the 1Dx. On the same level as any other L lens.
C) It never missed focus during the fifteen minutes I could use it. Again, sorry for the limited test time.
D) No, I wasn't able to test the IS or stop down to slower shutter speeds in the time allowed.
E) The few remaining pics show a similar bokeh to those posted. But in fairness, the background was green leaves in full sunlight, so maybe not the best of conditions.


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