You've got no gear at all - Would you get a 5DMKIV or D850

Parhaps a better way to phrase the initial hypothetical question would have been,

"If the EOS 5D Mark IV and the Nikon D850 were both made by the same manufacturer of your current system, which one would you chose?"

If I had the money to buy in the first place, it would more than likely be the D850. Nikon seems to have made a much better camera than the 5Dmk4.

Hell I have even been thinking of selling the canon gear and getting the D750. The 6Dmk2 isn't that much of a jump and it shows that canon is sitting on it's behind and not doing anything.

Mark0159 wrote in post #18476188
If I had the money to buy in the first place, it would more than likely be the D850. Nikon seems to have made a much better camera than the 5Dmk4.

Hell I have even been thinking of selling the canon gear and getting the D750. The 6Dmk2 isn't that much of a jump and it shows that canon is sitting on it's behind and not doing anything.

The D810's are dropping in price as people are getting ready for shipments of the D850. I have been looking at them as well.

aladyforty wrote in post #18475895
True, but how many of us really need to spend that sort of cash, the reality is not that many people are actually making their main living from photography, yet its those who are not that seem so obsessed with the latest greatest cameras etc. I have a friend who shoots both canon and Nikon, has the latest cameras ( not the latest Nikon though) yet his photos are no different from a couple of models back. In the end if you have the money go for whatever you want but I seriously dont believe it makes one a better photographer, I see evidence of this every day online

What you cant put a price on is the level of enjoyment you have when getting something new.

elitejp wrote in post #18476251
What you cant put a price on is the level of enjoyment you have when getting something new.

I'm glad that statement was clearly 'tongue in cheek'.

I need it 'cos it's new stuff ... is clearly the worst possible argument in favour of spending money that doesn't come easily for most of us. Pure consumerism is pretty repugnant.

DaviSto wrote in post #18476266
I'm glad that statement was clearly 'tongue in cheek'.

I need it 'cos it's new stuff ... is clearly the worst possible argument in favour of spending money that doesn't come easily for most of us. Pure consumerism is pretty repugnant.

Everyone gets to choose what they can offer cannot buy, and if somebody just wants something new there is nothing wrong with that. That means the used market continually gets new inventory and those of us that are frugal can have nice things too at lower costs. I never want to be jealous of what others buy, so I don't begrudge them or find it repugnant. That kind of consumerism is what keeps me employed and also allows me to have nice things.

I am sure there are some on the board that would look at your or my equipment list and wish their circumstances were different to have those items, and some might even find it repugnant that we have so many bodies and lenses. This is why I try (but fail) to always be thankful for how the man upstairs has blessed us every day, especially when my wife and I come from the land of food stamps, govt cheese and butter back in the day, and free school lunches growing up.

Now back to the topic of "if I had funds dropped into my lap, and owned neither brand, which would I get?"... I am trying very hard to stay away from any more reviews of the D850. I just need to hold out until Canon's next announcement.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18476283
Everyone gets to choose what they can offer cannot buy, and if somebody just wants something new there is nothing wrong with that. That means the used market continually gets new inventory and those of us that are frugal can have nice things too at lower costs. I never want to be jealous of what others buy, so I don't begrudge them or find it repugnant. That kind of consumerism is what keeps me employed and also allows me to have nice things.

I agree ... it's a useful behaviour pattern in other people that pays off nicely for those that don't have it. But wanting (worse ... 'needing') stuff just because it's new is not an admirable character trait.

There's no way that you can paint that any differently.

DaviSto wrote in post #18476287
I agree ... it's a useful behaviour pattern in other people that pays off nicely for those that don't have it. But wanting (worse ... 'needing') stuff just because it's new is not an admirable character trait.

There's no way that you can paint that any differently.

Everybody has a vice, so if one has "a need for new things", who am I to judge that? As long as the person doesn't bankrupt themselves with this habit, their kids are taken care of, etc, who cares, there are worst vices out there. Some have very disruptive ones like porn, drinking, drugs, partying too late, fast cars, motorcycles, women, name it. Some just like to spend money on new things.

I don't need a Prusa MK3 3D printer, but I preordered it, and am more excited about that arriving than the last few Canon DSLRs I have purchased in the past. Not sure what that says, but it is what it is. I have no doubt that what I do with it though will pay for it over the next couple of years, due to my inventive nature, at least that is what I tell my wife. This is another reason I have to stay away from D850 reviews....

The NBA season will keep me busy though, and the 5D4 will do that job nicely, so that will curb the itch for a new body like the D850. My agreement this year is that I can now shoot all the action I want, and they have somebody else to do all the crowd shots, advertiser posters, long lines waiting to get in, etc. The value I bring to the organization is the action shots, it seems, and that is what I like to shoot most anyways, so that makes me excited again. Last year was a bit of a drag.

Anybody with any camera can shoot this.

DaviSto wrote in post #18476287
I agree ... it's a useful behaviour pattern in other people that pays off nicely for those that don't have it. But wanting (worse ... 'needing') stuff just because it's new is not an admirable character trait.

There's no way that you can paint that any differently.

Dont you have a 5div and a bunch of L lenses, you could take those same pics with a cell phone.

as llong as no ones kids are starving or needing ( I went to extremes there).. then who cares if someone always want whats new ..


some people are tech freaks.. that's part of the hobby for them , always having the latest and greatest.. or being guinea pigs when some new and odd feature comes out ,,,nothing wrong with that in my book

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18476283
Everyone gets to choose what they can offer cannot buy, and if somebody just wants something new there is nothing wrong with that. That means the used market continually gets new inventory and those of us that are frugal can have nice things too at lower costs. I never want to be jealous of what others buy, so I don't begrudge them or find it repugnant. That kind of consumerism is what keeps me employed and also allows me to have nice things.

I am sure there are some on the board that would look at your or my equipment list and wish their circumstances were different to have those items, and some might even find it repugnant that we have so many bodies and lenses. This is why I try (but fail) to always be thankful for how the man upstairs has blessed us every day, especially when my wife and I come from the land of food stamps, govt cheese and butter back in the day, and free school lunches growing up.

Now back to the topic of "if I had funds dropped into my lap, and owned neither brand, which would I get?"... I am trying very hard to stay away from any more reviews of the D850. I just need to hold out until Canon's next announcement.

Very eloquently written.

Scoobert wrote in post #18476291
Dont you have a 5div and a bunch of L lenses, you could take those same pics with a cell phone.

Me .. I'm sticking completely with what I said before. And I'm not wrong.

And ... by the way ... just where do you hide your own photographs?

DaviSto wrote in post #18476304
Me .. I'm sticking completely with what I said before. And I'm not wrong.

Opinions never are.

I once knew a married couple that had a competent FF body to shoot various things around them for fun, and then due to the struggles of having to share the body all the time and the IQ just wasn't up to the latest offerings, one of the newest and pretty expensive FF model is added to the bag, along with a rebel to combat some physical discomfort of shooting the FF, so that each of them can shoot with whatever made them comfortable whenever they wanted to, along with alot of lenses, some that overlap with each other. There didn't seem like alot of need generated all those purchases, but I don't judge them, they seem to be able to afford it and it made them happy.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18476311
Opinions never are.

I once knew a married couple that had a competent FF body to shoot various things around them for fun, and then due to the struggles of having to share the body all the time and the IQ just wasn't up to the latest offerings, one of the newest and pretty expensive FF model is added to the bag, along with a rebel to combat some physical discomfort of shooting the FF, so that each of them can shoot with whatever made them comfortable whenever they wanted to, along with alot of lenses, some that overlap with each other. There didn't seem like alot of need generated all those purchases, but I don't judge them, they seem to be able to afford it and it made them happy.

I don't mind people being 'rich'. Every now and again in my life I've been 99.5% there myself and I may/will be again. Onwards ... upwards.

But it offends me when people spend money just to have that latest thing. Dammit .... if I just could have my hands on all that lovely filthy lucre, I could show those people how to spend it really well. Every last cent of it would be pulped and squeezed beyond all possible recognition!

I don't mind it when rich people spend money on extra/special stuff. I'm just embarrassed for them when what they are buying is only new ... but otherwise conspicuously without merit.

DaviSto wrote in post #18476326
I'm just embarrassed for them when what they are buying is only new ... but otherwise conspicuously without merit.

Like a 5Div?