You've got no gear at all - Would you get a 5DMKIV or D850

This may sound like I'm taking the easy way out, but I just don't see a bad decision between the 5DIV and D850. These are two incredible cameras that can use really any piece of glass a photographer would need in their bag. It comes down to personal preference for UI/menus, how the bodies feel in your hand and maybe even what part of the world you live in--some countries have easier access to either Nikon or Canon gear.

Sure, there are other factors like video features or partiality to certain lenses one maker has the other does not. Maybe you want a 105 1.4? Nikon is the only game in town. For real estate photographers, maybe the TS lenses of Canon really are that good?

Can one concentrate on the disappointing parts of each body? Sure, I guess. Having to add a battery grip to climb from 7FPS to 9FPS seems like a big PIA to be honest for the D850. And that the DXO score of the 5DIV lags THAT far behind the D850 is always a fun discussion on this forum. Are either of these factors deal breakers? Hard for me to say, but these are certainly two of the best DSLR bodies ever made.

Sony's stagnant A-mount line kills comparisons for the a99ii according to most bloggers/vloggers, but rest assured it is an incredible body in its own right with the luxury choosing auto-focusing Zeiss glass. Eye-focus AF is fantastic, IBIS makes every lens stabilized, AF system is potent and IQ from the 42MP sensor borrowed from the a7Rii is somewhere between the 5DIV and D850. EVF (no filmstrip effect I've noticed) saves a punter like me, and the outstanding shadow recovery is the cherry on top. The battery life isn't great, but I did shoot the Orange Bowl with an a77ii with juice left to spare after 1700 frames. Not sure if the a99ii can duplicate that feat, but I suspect it is in the neighborhood. And the a9 seems to deserve the hype, with what I've seen from guys on this board like MedicineMan4040, Mystik610 and others off the board like Paul Nelson and Patrick Racey-Murphy. The wildlife shooters hate the lack of fast, long glass but it doesn't seem to stop MedicineMan from producing on stunning BIF image after another.

The completely jaw-dropping assortment of full-frame bodies on the market right now is a real marvel. Nobody really even really talks about the Pentax K-1, but there's another outstanding body with top-notch IQ. Pretty much the only disappointing FF body that has come out semi-recently has been the 6Dii, and to me that was a real shocker. The original 6D was a tool that only needed a little sharpening, and somehow Canon didn't get it right.

mickeyb105 wrote in post #18474392
This may sound like I'm taking the easy way out, but I just don't see a bad decision between the 5DIV and D850. These are two incredible cameras that can use really any piece of glass a photographer would need in their bag. It comes down to personal preference for UI/menus, how the bodies feel in your hand and maybe even what part of the world you live in--some countries have easier access to either Nikon or Canon gear.

Sure, there are other factors like video features or partiality to certain lenses one maker has the other does not. Maybe you want a 105 1.4? Nikon is the only game in town. For real estate photographers, maybe the TS lenses of Canon really are that good?

Can one concentrate on the disappointing parts of each body? Sure, I guess. Having to add a battery grip to climb from 7FPS to 9FPS seems like a big PIA to be honest for the D850. And that the DXO score of the 5DIV lags THAT far behind the D850 is always a fun discussion on this forum. Are either of these factors deal breakers? Hard for me to say, but these are certainly two of the best DSLR bodies ever made.

Sony's stagnant A-mount line kills comparisons for the a99ii according to most bloggers/vloggers, but rest assured it is an incredible body in its own right with the luxury choosing auto-focusing Zeiss glass. Eye-focus AF is fantastic, IBIS makes every lens stabilized, AF system is potent and IQ from the 42MP sensor borrowed from the a7Rii is somewhere between the 5DIV and D850. EVF (no filmstrip effect I've noticed) saves a punter like me, and the outstanding shadow recovery is the cherry on top. The battery life isn't great, but I did shoot the Orange Bowl with an a77ii with juice left to spare after 1700 frames. Not sure if the a99ii can duplicate that feat, but I suspect it is in the neighborhood. And the a9 seems to deserve the hype, with what I've seen from guys on this board like MedicineMan4040, Mystik610 and others off the board like Paul Nelson and Patrick Racey-Murphy. The wildlife shooters hate the lack of fast, long glass but it doesn't seem to stop MedicineMan from producing on stunning BIF image after another.

The completely jaw-dropping assortment of full-frame bodies on the market right now is a real marvel. Nobody really even really talks about the Pentax K-1, but there's another outstanding body with top-notch IQ. Pretty much the only disappointing FF body that has come out semi-recently has been the 6Dii, and to me that was a real shocker. The original 6D was a tool that only needed a little sharpening, and somehow Canon didn't get it right.

ok.. I agree neither one a bad choice

but which would you go with

For both my personal and hired ......Canon 5dmk4 meets my needs in shadow recovery. If nikon is better that is fine but I think Canon lenses are still very good and seems more affordable than Nikon.

If I was thinking for the sake of business expenditures a client would not tell the difference in IQ using Canon.

I think ultimately choosing between the two systems all depends on preference.

Maybe I rent a 5D4/85 1.2 Lii and a D850/105 1.4 and shoot them side-by-side for a few days to decide?

My gut says Canon, head says Nikon..

mickeyb105 wrote in post #18474459
Maybe I rent a 5D4/85 1.2 Lii and a D850/105 1.4 and shoot them side-by-side for a few days to decide?

My gut says Canon, head says Nikon..

that is the same for me.. my initial answer was d850.. because I was thinking specs.. and purely off of specs , the d850 wins..

but ... the more I think on it ,, the more I forgive canon for being such a let down (in my opinion) in the video dept. on the 80d, 5d4 and 6d2..

I actually think i'd go for the canon 5d4.. maybe.. I think.. possibly .. probably .. most likely

rantercsr wrote in post #18474477
that is the same for me.. my initial answer was d850.. because I was thinking specs.. and purely off of specs , the d850 wins..

but ... the more I think on it ,, the more I forgive canon for being such a let down (in my opinion) in the video dept. on the 80d, 5d4 and 6d2..

I actually think i'd go for the canon 5d4.. maybe.. I think.. possibly .. probably .. most likely

Lack of tilt screen would be a deal breaker these days.

Was shooting a 7d a few weeks back, what a nightmare.

Mjpeg means that the camera doesn’t do 4K, which means I would be compelled to upgrade to the imaginary 5d5. I’m a gear junky, but not that big of one. I’de rather my gear hobby more focused on lenses than bodies.

The D850 looks to be a total package that would stand the test of time.

Charlie wrote in post #18474481
Lack of tilt screen would be a deal breaker these days.

Was shooting a 7d a few weeks back, what a nightmare.

Mjpeg means that the camera doesn’t do 4K, which means I would be compelled to upgrade to the imaginary 5d5. I’m a gear junky, but not that big of one. I’de rather my gear hobby more focused on lenses than bodies.

The D850 looks to be a total package that would stand the test of time.

I know .. I know..

believe me I know.. one of the things I've been loving about my Fuji xt2 is that it flips out in portrait mode as well ..

how ever with these hypotheticals its hard to let go of past familiarities ... and so I miss one of my biggest regret sells .. the 24-70 2,8 mkii..was awesome the on the 5d mkiii .. cant imagine on the 5d mk4..

happy with my Fuji xt2.. but aint gonna lie ,, been craving a full frame .. and both the 5d4 and d850 have been on my mind

rantercsr wrote in post #18474488
I know .. I know..

believe me I know.. one of the things I've been loving about my Fuji xt2 is that it flips out in portrait mode as well ..

how ever with these hypotheticals its hard to let go of past familiarities ... and so I miss one of my biggest regret sells .. the 24-70 2,8 mkii..was awesome the on the 5d mkiii .. cant imagine on the 5d mk4..

happy with my Fuji xt2.. but aint gonna lie ,, been craving a full frame .. and both the 5d4 and d850 have been on my mind

I got the 24-70ii for that same reason, I only sold it this summer, the nostalgia got the best of me. I did use it for 2-3 years on the sony system, the A7rii and it was fantastic, but the size got old real fast. I would still like a 24-70f2.8 around, but been saving up for the GM since. I do have enough, but not a huge priority, so just waiting on deals.

as for nikon, I've shot several nikon lenses over the years, and I find them highly competent, I have no issues if I were going to pick a brand. I'de rather learn the ins and outs and learn to love the body rather than not completely happy with the purchase.

Charlie wrote in post #18474481
The D850 looks to be a total package that would stand the test of time.

Its a nice thought, how many times have we read that a camera was the "last camera you will ever need to buy" and then a few (or more) years later its a dinosaur.

fotoworx wrote in post #18474496
Its a nice thought, how many times have we read that a camera was the "last camera you will ever need to buy" and then a few (or more) years later its a dinosaur.

off the top of your head, what would the upgrade cycle for the D860 look like?

if you have to even consider this, then the upgrade isnt that important and you can probably skip a generation. For my shooting style, I dont need blazing fast fps, and the A7rii meets my criteria for a complete package even more than the D850 does. I'de say that based on the lifecycle of 720p/1080p, 4K is good for at least a full decade, probably even longer. The megapixel count is good for as long as cameras of the 35mm format exists, even top new lenses are struggling to fully resolve these high megapixel sensors. Hardly any lens can post 40+mp on dxo's tests.

so with all the practical advances, can you list what feature you need? I can easily list a bunch of features I wanted/needed as soon as I bought cameras of the past, now, not so much.

I can say right off the bat, I dont want a camera without a flip screen, LE stacking simulation, IBIS, face/eye detect, autofocus points that go all the way to the edges, focus peaking/zebras.

that's not to say that global shutter, silent shooting under any conditions, and ultra fast readout arent important features, they're just more of fluff that I can live without. Will I upgrade when those features arrive on a cam? of course. However if my core featureset is included, I dont feel cheated for the 3K I spend, and considering that the camera market is going down the gutter, I dont take the use of 3K lightly. If a camera company wants my money, they better earn it.

I was at the crossroads when deciding Canon or Nikon.

If I shoots mainly landscapes or architecture. I would get the Nikon.
I like the Nikon rugged body design but I like Canon glass, and interface, and dual-pixel AF, etc....

I wonder if there is a modular design where you get the Nikon body and adapt the Canon glass and slot in the sensor of your choice (like film).

If you need High Resolution, (just slot in the a7R sensor).
If you need Low Light, (just slot in the a7S sensor).



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Dpreview has their review up, and it's funny looking thru the posts on the fm Nikon board. AF issues, need more shutter to not show shake, etc...

Easy choice. Nikon D850. In the end, it is the end users decision. I sold off a bunch of Canon equipment to by Fuji.

rantercsr wrote in post #18474477
that is the same for me.. my initial answer was d850.. because I was thinking specs.. and purely off of specs , the d850 wins..

but ... the more I think on it ,, the more I forgive canon for being such a let down (in my opinion) in the video dept. on the 80d, 5d4 and 6d2..

I actually think i'd go for the canon 5d4.. maybe.. I think.. possibly .. probably .. most likely

While I don't shoot much video, it is really is a coin-flip decision on these two bodies.

As someone who prefers fast primes, both Canon and Nikon have unique lenses (50 1.2, 85 1.2, 200 1.8 vs 58 1.4, 105 1.4) that interest me very much. Would I rather adapt both the Nikon and Canon glass onto an a9 or a7rii? Maybe.

Charlie wrote in post #18474481
Lack of tilt screen would be a deal breaker these days.

Was shooting a 7d a few weeks back, what a nightmare.

The fully-articulating screen of the a99ii, combined with amazing live-view shooting, really plays at times. I know I would miss it if I switched brands.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18474583
Dpreview has their review up, and it's funny looking thru the posts on the fm Nikon board. AF issues, need more shutter to not show shake, etc...

I can tell you, after owning and shooting 2 5DSRs for 1 full wedding season, that this will be the #1 issue by far with the D850.

The counter argument from the same 5 people, over and over, is that it is impossible for a higher megapixel camera not to out resolve the lower mega-pixel camera.

The reality of the human brain is that the higher megapixels creates a sharper more defined area of tack sharp focus and then the graduation begins away from this area - and then the human brain picks this up and sees all the areas that are not 'in-focus'.

When you combine the above, with scrolling through your latest 100 pictures you just took in your LR catalog, you are then further pissed that only a few are really, really sharp (i.e. why you bought the new fancy camera) - and you then ask what is wrong? Then you start running experiments to see what it takes to absolutely nail it focus wise - and then you lose your mind about all your non IS lens, your inability to really calm your hands, did you drink too much coffee, etc, etc, etc.

Nikon is going to cost all new D850 owners a lot of money because while they just bought a nice new $4,000 camera (with grip and battery), they are going to almost certainly now want the very expensive Nikon 24-70 F2.8 VR - and then they are going to want a non existent 85 1.4 VR, a 105 F1.4 VR, etc, etc. - alternatively, I think for near certainty, Nikon is going to singlehandedly sell more Tamron 24-70 F2.8 VCs than Tamron could ever imagine selling on their own.

I can't believe I'm even saying this, but I'm considering selling a 5DSR and an A7Rii and picking up a D850 with a few Tamron stabilized lenses