So if we are done with LR, whats our choices?

I liked it. There won't be very many complaints.

Pauhana wrote in post #18482727
Pulled trigger on capture one. On sale now $224 at b&h. Which probably means upgrade out soon

Yep, beginning of year typically new version

Adobe software will keep the RAW untouched and save RAW edits in a XMP file. By default, DPP will save RAW edits in the metadata of resaved RAW files. However, you can chose to go to edit/save recipe to file (which saves the edits in a DR4 file). You then don't save the RAW, but have to load the recipe file the next time you open the RAW. I personally like the Adobe method. If I later go in and find I had a bad day editing, and it no longer looks right, I can just delete the XMP and start over again. Since I have to maintain the full Adobe CC subscription for my work, I find the whole subscription not too bad What's bad for professionals is if you're just a graphic artist or video editor: their subscriptions for one piece of software is relatively expensive. $10/month for the whole professional photography tools aren't too bad. Since I also need Photoshop, Illustrator, Dreamweaver, AfterEffects, and Premiere, the full $50/month is needed. But it's normally $20/month just for one app. And as for disenchantment of LR (will Adobe change their subscription practice): nope, they won't. When CC first came out, I heard an outcry from graphics professionals saying they'd hang on to CS6 and/or find alternatives. Only some found alternatives: most stuck with Adobe for continued support/ business expenses.

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #18482560
Is Capture One a raw converter (Lightroom) or a pixel editor (Photoshop)?

It started life as a RAW Converter and tethered shooting control. It has added lots of management and like most current RAW tools adds some post editing features built in to the workflow like masks etc. It is and has been the best image quality multi brand raw converter out there. It runs much faster than LR as well.

This is a screen shot from my dual monitor set up,. NO other application handles dual screens better.

davesrose wrote in post #18482826
... If I later go in and find I had a bad day editing, and it no longer looks right, I can just delete the XMP and start over again. ....

Just curious, how is this easier than simply hitting the "revert" or "undo all" etc. button found in most raw tools that bring you back to straight out of camera with a button?

And yes, we had African Wild Dogs that close to us,. that's @ 100mm

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18482867
Just curious, how is this easier than simply hitting the "revert" or "undo all" etc. button found in most raw tools that bring you back to straight out of camera with a button?

You need to have the program open, and depending on software, may need to select “as shot” for all settings for each photo. With a folder with XMPs, I can select all and delete to revert.

I see, got it. In particular for a bunch of them, very fast.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18482865
It started life as a RAW Converter and tethered shooting control. It has added lots of management and like most current RAW tools adds some post editing features built in to the workflow like masks etc. It is and has been the best image quality multi brand raw converter out there. It runs much faster than LR as well.

This is a screen shot from my dual monitor set up,. NO other application handles dual screens better.

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Thanks, Jake. That's helpful.
I think I'm going to download the trial version. See what it can do.

I used the trial version several months ago and was impressed with Capture One. Their tutorial videos are really good. Big help in getting to understand the software quickly Have been waiting for the price to drop before buying. And yes still waiting on license from b&h.

well I just revisited capture one again due to the fact new lightroom classic is running at a snails pace when I use multiple brush's on a single RAW image in "development". This is even after Adobe Product engineering promised me in writing that these same issues I was experiencing under Lightroom 6( I provided Adobe Engineering in India and USA a test catalogue) would be fixed in the next update( classic update)...

Personally I believe Adobe are finished with targeting niche markets for lightroom ( originally pro and prosumer level photographers ) and are more interested in going after general consumers who dont want Photoshop but want a reasonably basic photo editing and cloud storage service .. This is a huge growth area unlike the pro and prosumer market that lightroom( and now defunct Aperture ) originally catered for so comes as no surprise that there are now 2 Apps released ( Lightroom CC and Lightroom Classic) ..... IMO they ahve done this with the long term view to slow down development for "classic" hoping that eventually people will migrate across to Lightroom CC as its feature set develops thus allowing them to eventually fade out classic as Apple did with trying to migrate Aperture users over to Photo ..... Its also a lot stickier for the company if they have the consumer using the cloud for storage in addition to an editing package. . People will be more reluctant to churn to a new app if they have a bundle offering as Adobe and Apple are offering

So.....long and short of it is Im desperately attempting a second time to get used to Capture One editing workflow in the hope that when its confirmed by Adobe that my performance issues they promised would be rectified in a new update will never happen I will be sufficiently versed in capture ones process that I wont care at all what Adobe does and will be simply a matter of just double clicking on a different editing app icon to do my edits ! ...... The good thing though is revisiting Capture One has once again confirmed to me that Capture One is the more technically superior of the 2 editing packages so I know that forcing myself to understand the new process's of Capture One will in the long run be to my benefit.....Just hard to convince myself that all the learning Ive done with lightroom is now over although my photoshop skills arnt lost as Im keeping PS for time being. However that may also change given the launch of a PS desktop competitor in the form of Affinity which I have currently running on my IPAd Pro.

Also good to see Capture One have added a new feature which allows import of a Lightroom catalogue which although basic in what it allows to carry across edits wise still helps to minimise pain of converting to another app

davesrose wrote in post #18482886
You need to have the program open, and depending on software, may need to select “as shot” for all settings for each photo. With a folder with XMPs, I can select all and delete to revert.

You must have had a very bad day to want to delete all editing done on several images in one big sweep...

davesrose wrote in post #18482886
You need to have the program open, and depending on software, may need to select “as shot” for all settings for each photo. With a folder with XMPs, I can select all and delete to revert.

agedbriar wrote in post #18483030
You must have had a very bad day to want to delete all editing done on several images in one big sweep...

It could happen once every decade or so. For those 5 minutes, it will be faster.

As I stated I decided to get the $10 a month Photo plan. It offers a free website with Portfolio. For now anyway. If they start to charge I'll drop it.

I had a website with Zenfolio. $140 a year plus Domain fees with Go Daddy. I just cancelled it. It was not for selling images. 10 years ago having a site was kinda cool but now everyone has them. Gonna through in some of my faves into portfolio.

So I got the CC plan for free

digital paradise wrote in post #18483923
As I stated I decided to get the $10 a month Photo plan. It offers a free website with Portfolio. For now anyway. If they start to charge I'll drop it.

I had a website with Zenfolio. $140 a year plus Domain fees with Go Daddy. I just cancelled it. It was not for selling images. 10 years ago having a site was kinda cool but now everyone has them. Gonna through in some of my faves into portfolio.

So I got the CC plan for free

Does the Portfolio offer include unlimited storage of photos? If so, that would help with deferring some of my cost for the subscription, as I pay Smugmug $60 per year for online photo storage. I think I'm paid up with Smugmug until next August, so still lots of time to figure this all out.