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Oct 22, 2017 15:47 as a reply to  @ post 18478398 |  #16

Before responding to OP, I tried to look up the specific laptop listed, but no video spec. I went to Dell website and tried to configure a Dell i7, and it asked for which video card -- but I had to consult NVIDIA website to see video res for the card -- and then returning to Dell site I still could NOT find the spec of it's monitor...and then my power failed to my home, including my cable and internet feed before finishing configuring a laptop ...it has been over 2 hrs. now.

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Not for current laptops. Many new laptops are IPS with resolutions past 1920x1080. I recently bought another laptop, and saw that most manufacturers gave their specs for displays (15 and 17" displays now have options for 1080p or 3840x2160...and IPS seems to be the standard). HP Spectre x2 12" laptop is 3000x2000 IPS. Even integrated Intel graphics have supposed to have improved in performance (to be able to drive resolutions past 1080P)

Just got power back and tried again. Finished configuring the PC on the Dell website, I then picked the 15.6" size specified previously by OP, and I cannot find any video specification for the monitor!!!

[edit] I had to COMPARE two Dell laptops in order to see any monitor specification! Although the video card is capable of far more resolution, I had to get this far to discover the inadequacy (for me) of a1920 x 1080 monitor and no option for higher res at that size....and I have no idea what size to get if I wanted higher res, other than to go thru changing the configuration of the laptop!
Let me repeat: the PC manufacturers MAKE IT HARD to find out video resolution of laptops until you are very deep into configuring the laptop! I cannot find a way to specify "I want/need more than 1920x1080, what brands/models of laptops can be purchased meeting or exceeding that criteria?"


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Oct 22, 2017 15:52 |  #17

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An SSD makes practically no difference for LR performance. I've tried it. No noticeable difference. But big hassles in eventually transferring files to a bigger HDD when the SSD fills up.

I would suggest getting a docking station for an hard drive with a USB port connection, moving SSD data to the hard drive via LR data management for longer term storage, freeing up SSD space.


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Oct 22, 2017 16:05 |  #18

Wilt wrote in post #18478473 (external link)
Before responding to OP, I tried to look up the specific laptop listed, but no video spec. I went to Dell website and tried to configure a Dell i7, and it asked for which video card -- but I had to consult NVIDIA website to see video res for the card -- and then returning to Dell site I still could NOT find the spec of it's monitor...and then my power failed to my home, including my cable and internet feed before finishing configuring a laptop ...it has been over 2 hrs. now.

Just got power back and tried again. Finished configuring the PC on the Dell website, I then picked the 15.6" size specified previously by OP, and I cannot find any video specification for the monitor!!!

[edit] I had to COMPARE two Dell laptops in order to see any monitor specification! Although the video card is capable of far more, and had to get this far to discover the inadequacy (for me) of a1920 x 1080 monitor and no option for higher res at that size.

Not sure how you're doing your research, but I found it rather quickly...

https://www.bhphotovid​eo.com …0hq_16gb_512ssd​_1050.html (external link)

Dell has several generations of Inspiron laptops, but this one seems to match the description in the OP pretty much spot on. Says pretty clearly here that the screen is a TN panel, in which case I agree that the OP should look into other products for photo editing.


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Oct 22, 2017 16:09 as a reply to  @ EverydayGetaway's post |  #19

The RETAILER makes that visible quickly and easily, the DELL web site DOES NOT!!!
And if I want 2560x1440 resolution as a minimum, which Dell product offers me that?!


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Oct 22, 2017 16:18 as a reply to  @ Wilt's post |  #20

The Dell XPS series offers 3840x2610 as an option (for example) The laptop I got was a Lenovo 15" 2-in-1 with 2160P IPS display. Laptop screens that go over 1080P seem to favor 2160P vs 1440. When I was looking at the Dell XPS, HP Spectre, or Lenovo 2-in-1s I found the screen descriptions pretty straight forward on the manufacturer's site (and were either over 1080P or had options to go over 1080P). And the screen type for the Inspiron is clearly labeled under the laptop's configuration:


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Oct 22, 2017 16:54 |  #21

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The RETAILER makes that visible quickly and easily, the DELL web site DOES NOT!!!
And if I want 2560x1440 resolution as a minimum, which Dell product offers me that?!

Firstly, calm down.

Secondly, anybody who's researching a product should have the due diligence to do a 2 minute search around to find the specs of that product, and of course to find competing prices (thus, looking at various retailers).

All that being said, I agree that Dell should make that information more readily available, but your initial post suggested that the information was hard to find and that's simply not the case.


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Oct 22, 2017 20:13 |  #22

Archibald wrote in post #18478456 (external link)
An SSD makes practically no difference for LR performance. I've tried it. No noticeable difference. But big hassles in eventually transferring files to a bigger HDD when the SSD fills up.

You should perhaps read http://www.computer-darkroom.com …be-lightroom-performance/ (external link). You can skip most content and go directly to the last few paragraphs. But I will say that getting the most from a LR/SSD combination requires some tweaking, at least with Windows. And you can experience a significance difference.




  
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Oct 22, 2017 20:25 |  #23

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You should perhaps read http://www.computer-darkroom.com …be-lightroom-performance/ (external link). You can skip most content and go directly to the last few paragraphs. But I will say that getting the most from a LR/SSD combination requires some tweaking, at least with Windows. And you can experience a significance difference.

As I said, I tried it, and your "absolutely amazing" = not noticeable. Have you tried it yourself?

An SSD gives much faster boot times. That is an advantage. Waking from sleep is also faster. But working on LR is about the same.

Having recent photo files on an SSD and the main body on a bigger HDD is difficult to manage, and I found it to be a big hassle. It is not as simple as just doing a file transfer from time to time. You also have to pay attention to non-LR files that might be in the folders, confirm the integrity of the moves, and maintain your backups. Also, those transfers take quite some time to do.

Please try it yourself.


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Oct 22, 2017 20:41 |  #24

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Firstly, calm down.

Secondly, anybody who's researching a product should have the due diligence to do a 2 minute search around to find the specs of that product, and of course to find competing prices (thus, looking at various retailers).

All that being said, I agree that Dell should make that information more readily available, but your initial post suggested that the information was hard to find and that's simply not the case.

First of all, I am totally calm, I am merely trying to EMPHASIZE my point.

I tried more than once to find what screen resolution was provided AND what optional resolution screen was available, and failed both times to find an option of > 1920x1080. I took my time trying to find that information, not rushed, and I found the 1920x1080 only when I chose two different models of laptops to compare. I did look for a 'Spec' tab or link with the screen resolution, but could not find one.

In your screen shot, I still fail to seen an option for higher screen resolution.

Articles have been written about low res screens usually found in laptops, and how difficult it is to select by screen resolution...it is an afterthought in the selection criteria of manufacturers, not as a Select Laptop By Resolution parameter.

https://www.laptopmag.​com …-screen-resolution-ripoff (external link)


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Oct 22, 2017 21:33 as a reply to  @ Wilt's post |  #25

Your second post was about how laptop screens shouldn't be used for image editing because few are IPS or greater then 1080P. I showed proof of how Dell's website shows the Inspiron's display tech (you don't have to to convoluted searches). With the Inspiron 15, there is an option for IPS, though admittedly 1080P is the only option for 15" (some would argue 1080 is all that's needed for 15", but I do like my 2160P display). If the OP wants 2160P, there are other Dell models that have it (the XPS display scores quite well). As I stated, when I was searching for a laptop, I didn't find any problems in finding the specs of the computer's screen. In fact, with 2-in-1s, I assume manufacturers know a lot of artists are looking at them, and >1080P is often advertised in their product literature.

Your link goes to an opinion article that's over 1 year old, and the author claims laptop screens suck because they are 768P. That's mostly the sub $500 "budget" ones. Frankly, I've found screen specs is one area with the biggest advancements with the current batch of laptops. There are quite a few IPS displays, and now 2160P is a premium option. It must partly be that the technology is getting cheaper with higher demands with UHD TVs and video content.


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Oct 22, 2017 21:40 as a reply to  @ davesrose's post |  #26

So I have posted about the need for IPS and how screen resolution matters, and you have posted about how (in the case of Dell) that information is available to the consumer. So the OP wins!

The point is to educate the OP, not win debates with each other.


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Oct 23, 2017 07:52 |  #27

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The RETAILER makes that visible quickly and easily, the DELL web site DOES NOT!!!
And if I want 2560x1440 resolution as a minimum, which Dell product offers me that?!

IMO, the Dell website is a bit more for the tech savvy buyer or corporate buyer as opposed to the retailer websites than are price driven and only give a summary of the specs. Your words, "quickly and easily" I can't measure but a few minutes of imputing the OP's initial specs came up with a laptop that had a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050Ti video card, not the 1050 as specified by the OP. On the Tech Specs and Customization tab, under Display, it clearly reads "15.6-inch FHD (1920 x 1080) IPS Anti-Glare LED-Backlit Display".

On your second point, the 2560 x 1440 resolution, that may not be offered by Dell. But you could settle for something better. See http://www.dell.com …s?oc=dndnf408s&​l=en&s=dhs (external link) which has a 15.6-inch UHD (3840 x 2160) IPS Anti-Glare LED-Backlit Display. It too has the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050Ti video card, not the 1050 as specified by the OP.

Now, I will say that I favor Dell hardware and I've had numerous models since about 2001 so I do know my way around the Dell website.




  
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Oct 23, 2017 10:15 |  #28

Since resolution is being discussed, I'm curious...

For a 15 inch laptop display, I usually see 3 resolutions: 1920x1080, 2560x1440, 3840x2160.

Is more resolution better for photo editing?


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Oct 23, 2017 10:37 |  #29

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Since resolution is being discussed, I'm curious...

For a 15 inch laptop display, I usually see 3 resolutions: 1920x1080, 2560x1440, 3840x2160.

Is more resolution better for photo editing?

I have a 13" Dell laptop with 1920x1080 resolution and find it very good for LR while travelling. I suppose the higher resolutions would be better, though... downside might be that scaling might not always work well (meaning that text might become very tiny and hard to read). That was an issue in the past, not sure of its present status.

A 15" screen would be better for editing, but much less portable. I had a 15" and after a while left it at home because of the size of the laptop and its brick of a power supply. The 13" is wonderful and goes everywhere. But it is a compromise for photo work. I do final editing on the desktop at home and the desktop is quite a bit better. There is no perfect solution, but there are good solutions.


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Oct 23, 2017 11:41 |  #30

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I have a 13" Dell laptop with 1920x1080 resolution and find it very good for LR while travelling. I suppose the higher resolutions would be better, though... downside might be that scaling might not always work well (meaning that text might become very tiny and hard to read). That was an issue in the past, not sure of its present status.

A 15" screen would be better for editing, but much less portable. I had a 15" and after a while left it at home because of the size of the laptop and its brick of a power supply. The 13" is wonderful and goes everywhere. But it is a compromise for photo work. I do final editing on the desktop at home and the desktop is quite a bit better. There is no perfect solution, but there are good solutions.

Thanks.

I'm toying with the idea of a 17 inch laptop for photo editing. I'm not concerned about the size or weight. It won't be a go-everywhere laptop.
Just go some places.

I have my eye on the Dell Precision 7720. Base price not too bad, but customization can drive the price sky-high.
http://www.dell.com …ion-17-7720-laptop?~ck=bt (external link)

There are other laptops as well. Or I may just keep my desktop and forget about portability.


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