Sony a7R III

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18585766
No, according to this site, and the guy does his homework, also using DXO numbers, they are closer than 1 stop for all ISOs except 100 and a 1/3 stop after that. I like to look at the DR across a wider range than just a single ISO value. DXO just reports the largest gap they find and that could be just one ISO value amidst all the other available ones.

http://www.photonstoph​otos.net …%20Mark%20IV,So​ny%20ILCE-

Also with the discovery of how the dual pixel mode works with the 5D4 and the new tool that can take the 2 raw images out of the raw fiile in dual pixel mode, it actually gains that nearly 1 stop back.

I’ll reiterate my previous statement...DR is excellent in the 5D IV. I think you are correct to disregard it as a camera-choice factor.

It’s also absolutely fine for you to say you look at the average DR across all ISO values and that overall average is what you value most.

It’s not accurate, though, to claim that the two cameras have the “same basic DR at low ISOs”. We don’t get to just throw out the disparity at ISO 100 just because it doesn’t suit the narrative.

Really the DR measurements for these newer cameras are so close its immaterial.

What sets the a7rIII apart from the likes of the 5DIV are things like IBIS, eye-AF, no need for microfocus, etc etc etc. Depending on what you shoot, these are much more than nice to have features, and are rather significant.

I'm in the middle of Disney right now...its stupid busy and its a lot of run n gun shooting. Eye-AF and IBIS are going a very long way right now

mystik610 wrote in post #18585795
Really the DR measurements for these newer cameras are so close its immaterial.

What sets the a7rIII apart from the likes of the 5DIV are things like IBIS, eye-AF, no need for microfocus, etc etc etc. Depending on what you shoot, these are much more than nice to have features, and are rather significant.

I'm in the middle of Disney right now...its stupid busy and its a lot of run n gun shooting. Eye-AF and IBIS are going a very long way right now

We definitely don’t need a stupid DR argument...that is so 2012/2013.

I checked DP review to double check what happens when the rubber hits the road

https://www.dpreview.c​om …32&y=-0.17195056421278895

Both R2 and R3 look considerably better than the 5Div, if you pull that much. If you dont, then it's probably a wash.

At ISO 200, they are dead even. So yes if you shoot ISO 100 and pull up shadows quite a bit, there is a difference. In every other situation, it is the other features that make a bigger difference, not shadow pulling. However shoot dual pixel with the 5d4 at 100, and you get that difference back. Therefore DR simply isn't a consideration between these two, it is eye AF, Ibis, and a handful of other features that could make the difference.

As someone who is looking at getting either an A7R III or just the 7 III, DR is not even one of the reasons I want an 7X body.

AF across the whole frame, Eye AF and IBIS are the main things that appeal to me. Weight wise there isn't much of a saving so I don't really consider that a plus. Size definitely is though.

Be sure to update all lens firmware. Huge difference.

Talley wrote in post #18582997
Sorry for being short before I was out and about on my phone.

I'm a HUGE ball of mess right now about it. Today is day 6 owning the R3... all I have is the 50 1.8 native. JUST traded my 200L so by the end of the week will have a 85G and 70-200 2.8 G. That will tell me a ton more about the performance of the system. I'm not exactly "going all out" with the canon stuff yet. Just being very selective. The 200L can be replaced if need be but if I decide to stick with Canon it'd the 24-70/70-200II combos so I'm not too worried about selling it.

I'm loving the AF features... face detect, eye detect. Love the IBIS. Weight and size are about the same... my pinky don't grip it so it's alot smaller. Menu setup is awesome. Some of the added features like highlight exposure priority is nice. Silent shutter is good.. .matches the wifes Fuji. So I'm happy about those things. 100Mbps 4K video is a huge plus for me... I can video alot more and not worry about file sizes. Having aps-c crop mode available for video is awesome and will help me alot. The fact I can video through the viewfinder will allow me to get some very high quality videos at my kids dance recital. I'm happy about that. Battery life seems ok. Got a few more coming. The flip out screen during video is awesome because I shoot it like my 60D hold it in my palm with my hand lower helps stabilize it a lot.

the 50 1.8 is actually a good performer for it's price. It's no Art nor L but it's a worthy component and will be a travel top pick for me. The 10fps is awesome. I love how much you can customize the camera buttons.

It's exciting but I know me... I haven't messed w/ the 5D4 in awhile.. the fuji system spoiled me and got my "i wants" going. I shot the Xe3 over thanksgiving and it left me much to be desired. Sony has a super fast response. Joystick is a dream. Takes awhile for the buffer to clear. Gotta get some flashes to try the flash system out.

Lots of things going in my head right now.

lol no worries

thanks for your thoughts and write up. i'm still new to face and eye detect, always used single select point. i need to play around with the eye focus for when the time comes i will know how to use it.

most of us got rid of our dslr due to lack of usage. i will admit I enjoy shooting with the dslr more but don't miss it. in reality the mirrorless suits my needs and is a keeper.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18585235
I guess I would like more insight into that comment. It beats the 5D4 on all counts? The two cameras are both FF, both have the same basic DR so at low ISOs, they can both be pushed almost equally. I can see IBIS, eye AF and 30% more resolution being nice additional features, but regarding color and DR and basic IQ, I guess I don't quite see how they can be all that different, on paper anyways?

There is nothing in those two photos that shows the Sony to be superior from what I can see, your 5D4 could nail exactly the same results.

I am just trying to separate the emotion and "newness" of a new tool from factual observations, and it is being difficult.

The a7r3 has better DR and sharper images due to higher res and no AA.

Other improvements.

EVF for shooting in dark studios as i turn all lights off in mine and just have a modelling light on and you cant see much on a OVF vs EVF.

lighter smaller camera that can fit in your pocket with the right lens.

IBIS.

more AF speed and coverage.

Eye AF.

Man I'm awaiting your review. I'm on the fence for a a7iii or a7r iii. I love the a7iii the fact that it has 699 focusing points thats awesome but only 24mps. That's my only gripe.

Well I think today solidified my opinion on the A7r III. I was really hoping that it could provide an all-around replacement for both my 5Ds and 1DxII (a tall order, I know!) To make a long story short, it looks like it might be my new golden ticket!

I've had the body for a week or so now, and have used it for a handful of random things. Initially, I used it to shoot around with some birds using my Canon 400mm DO adapted with Sigma MC-11. I wasn't happy with the results (I guess that's to be expected.) I ordered a 100-400 GM, knowing that a native mount lens would perform much better, and good lord does it! Both the focusing and image quality are nearly identical to my previous Canon 100-400II and the camera was easily 80% as fast and accurate following focus when compared to my 1DxII. I also absolutely love using the EVF for high frame-rate shooting. It's so much easier to see whether each shot is remaining in focus with the internal split-second preview when I compare it to what I'm used to with the optical finder.

After shooting today with the 100-400 GM, I'm pretty much sold on it as a replacement for the 1DxII (which was certainly too much camera for me anyways.) In addition to the body's performance itself, the cropability of the RAW files is absolutely killer compared to my 1Dx files. I'm heading down to Washington DC next week for a photo trip to flex the body as a cityscape/landscape/tr​avel replacement for my 5Ds. However, I'm expecting that to be a much easier challenge for it, so it's looking pretty good right now to take over as my primary body.

One thing that was holding me back from switching over to Sony was the terrible battery life of their older bodies. I was super happy to find that the new battery in this body is downright solid. It's not 1Dx territory, but it's easily as good as any 5D series battery I've used.

For the time being, I'm definitely planning to simply keep my Canon glass other than selling the 400mm DO to fund the 100-400 GM. I may replace lenses here and there with Sony or new E-Mount art lenses, but my 16-35IS and 50L have been my favorite lenses for many many years and seem to perform pretty well with the MC-11, so I don't see any reason to swap them out just yet.

We were under thick cloud cover all afternoon, so this outcome was even more impressive to me!

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Justinsmnz wrote in post #18590550
Well I think today solidified my opinion on the A7r III. I was really hoping that it could provide an all-around replacement for both my 5Ds and 1DxII (a tall order, I know!) To make a long story short, it looks like it might be my new golden ticket!

I've had the body for a week or so now, and have used it for a handful of random things. Initially, I used it to shoot around with some birds using my Canon 400mm DO adapted with Sigma MC-11. I wasn't happy with the results (I guess that's to be expected.) I ordered a 100-400 GM, knowing that a native mount lens would perform much better, and good lord does it! Both the focusing and image quality are nearly identical to my previous Canon 100-400II and the camera was easily 80% as fast and accurate following focus when compared to my 1DxII. I also absolutely love using the EVF for high frame-rate shooting. It's so much easier to see whether each shot is remaining in focus with the internal split-second preview when I compare it to what I'm used to with the optical finder.

After shooting today with the 100-400 GM, I'm pretty much sold on it as a replacement for the 1DxII (which was certainly too much camera for me anyways.) In addition to the body's performance itself, the cropability of the RAW files is absolutely killer compared to my 1Dx files. I'm heading down to Washington DC next week for a photo trip to flex the body as a cityscape/landscape/tr​avel replacement for my 5Ds. However, I'm expecting that to be a much easier challenge for it, so it's looking pretty good right now to take over as my primary body.

One thing that was holding me back from switching over to Sony was the terrible battery life of their older bodies. I was super happy to find that the new battery in this body is downright solid. It's not 1Dx territory, but it's easily as good as any 5D series battery I've used.

For the time being, I'm definitely planning to simply keep my Canon glass other than selling the 400mm DO to fund the 100-400 GM. I may replace lenses here and there with Sony or new E-Mount art lenses, but my 16-35IS and 50L have been my favorite lenses for many many years and seem to perform pretty well with the MC-11, so I don't see any reason to swap them out just yet.

We were under thick cloud cover all afternoon, so this outcome was even more impressive to me!

IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/25i9​T4b Red-Tailed Hawk; Middleton, RI by Justin Simmons, on Flickr

IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/24he​VPC Red-Tailed Hawk; Middleton, RI by Justin Simmons, on Flickr

IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/25i9​T1L Short-Eared Owl; Middleton, RI by Justin Simmons, on Flickr

Edit: I really can't emphasize enough how impressed I was today with the focus following in this thing. This was nearly the 20th shot in a series AFTER the owl flew behind the grass. It literally looks like it's Photoshopped in, because there's no reasonable explanation for how it's still in such clean focus through so much grass. Not only that, but almost every one of the shots that follows is also somehow in focus even when he nearly leaves the frame entirely (screenshot below). I'm baffled!

IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/FGD8​WT Focused through the grass; Short-Eared Owl; Middleton, RI by Justin Simmons, on Flickr

I, too, found a replacement for my 1DXII. But I replaced it with the A9. For my 2nd body, I'm still debating between the A7III and A7rIII. I've been following Sony forums for a while and seeing photos like yours and many others...and reading their positive experiences helped in making my decision to switch over from Canon. No regrets!

kekane wrote in post #18590750
I, too, found a replacement for my 1DXII. But I replaced it with the A9. For my 2nd body, I'm still debating between the A7III and A7rIII. I've been following Sony forums for a while and seeing photos like yours and many others...and reading their positive experiences helped in making my decision to switch over from Canon. No regrets!

Had I only wanted to replace the 1DxII, I wouldn't have hesitated to pick up the A9. However, because I was hoping to replace both the 1DxII and 5Ds with one body – the best of both worlds, essentially – I decided to try the A7rIII first and I'm feeling now like I made the right call for my uses.

I feel the same really but in the 5D4 comparison.

For some reason I want that 100-400 even though I'm not a heavy over F4 type of guy. I still feel that lens would offer some good in my photography.

Took it out in some snow flurries this morning and it handled it like a champ. The only issue I ran into was getting a few snowflakes on the viewfinder sensor, which activated the EVF. Because the sensor is set so far back in the eye cup, it was impossible to clear off without removing the eye cup itself (which I wasn't able to do at all with gloves on) so the back screen would become useless for a few minutes at a time. That said, in-viewfinder image review is brand new to me, and I love it!

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