Sony a7R III

Or any modern camera I'd have thought, certainly a full frame one....

If it's not ISO 100 it's garbage

See, we Brits are far more open minded, sometimes we go to 250 ( The French go to 800, but, we don't speak to them )....

going through editing 2k photos from last weekends recital. I shot JPG the entire event just because.

What I'm finding is I need a -12 adjustment on the WB and the colors appear to be pretty spot on but not default.

Anyone else feel this way or notice this?

First let me say that I very much appreciate the input you are giving me. I feel something is not right and I have only 6 days left in the 30 day return policy to do something.

I have been trying a number of things to test this camera. I feel that I can't push the ISO up very much at all. This is a swap from a 5DmkIII and this one doesn't come close with the high ISO performance. I am going to post some others later today that I hope I can get opinions on.

Again thanks for taking the time to look and respond with your comments. It is very much appreciated.

The SOOC shots backlit, and the leaves where the noise is was underexposed... so the shadows would have to be pushed a couple stops to lift the exposure on the leaves. So iso 250 pushed two stops would have equivalent noise as iso1000. Apply an aggressive crop, and yeah it's not unreasonable to see noise.

mystik610 wrote in post #18642559
The SOOC shots backlit, and the leaves where the noise is was underexposed... so the shadows would have to be pushed a couple stops to lift the exposure on the leaves. So iso 250 pushed two stops would have equivalent noise as iso1000. Apply an aggressive crop, and yeah it's not unreasonable to see noise.

I thought u were talking about my dance photo for a min

mystik610 wrote in post #18642559
The SOOC shots backlit, and the leaves where the noise is was underexposed... so the shadows would have to be pushed a couple stops to lift the exposure on the leaves. So iso 250 pushed two stops would have equivalent noise as iso1000. Apply an aggressive crop, and yeah it's not unreasonable to see noise.

Sidelit but I get your point. I'll admit again here that I'm learning the Sony camera so bear with me please. Reading Friedman's book as fast as I can to learn the workings of the camera.

I have these shots if you don't mind giving me your thoughts as an experienced Sony user. I would think even cropped there shouldn't be noise at ISO 250. I also have as high as ISO 5000 so I can see the noise being an issue on a cropped shot there. I was told by a friend that the high megapixel count will contribute to the noise in cropped shots which makes sense. More shots here if you care to look. https://billmorris.smu​gmug.com/Private/Birds​/Tests/n-SQBTg7/

Again I appreciate the help and insight.

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Will, what Lens are you using in these shots? What editing have you done? What software?

The noise looks bad for the iso you have shot at. Once I get the kids to bed I’ll take a photo at the same settings and post here

xpfloyd wrote in post #18642656
Will, what Lens are you using in these shots? What editing have you done? What software?

The noise looks bad for the iso you have shot at. Once I get the kids to bed I’ll take a photo at the same settings and post here

Eddie I certainly appreciate your effort. This is with the FE 100-400 and 1.4 converter. I use lightroom and only crop and push shadows to no higher that 40. I do my NR in Photoshop with Neat Image but only the last two shots had that done. As mentioned before this is far worse than the 5D3 I was using before and great high ISO performance is one thing that sold me on the camera. I haven't had it long enough to know if this is good or not. It's not good IMO.

I am getting ready to go to a graduation party for my granddaughter and will shoot with a 16-35 f4 and see how that goes.

Yeah higher resolution bodies will have more noise at pixel level. This is why the a7III has half the resolution than the a7rIII, but basically 1 stop less noise at pixel level. But normalized to the same resolution, the noise levels will be about the same between the two sensors.

Long story short...yes a high resolution body has more detail at pixel level, but the downside is that yes you have more noise. But in terms of detail and noise, the 42mp sensor at 50% crop will have as much detail and noise as the 24mp sensor at 100% crop. It's still nice to have the flexibility of the increased pixel level detail though...even if you're subjecting the image to a bit more noise, you're able to crop deeper than you could the 24mp file.

edit: this assumes equivalent sensor designs.

The BSI sensor in the a7rIII actually performs remarkably in terms of noise for a high resolution sensor. A 50% crop from the a7rIII will resolve as much detail as the 24mp 5DIII sensor, but have half the noise.

Please spell out the ISO value, ISO is never in units of Kb, your windows viewer tool is messed up. I think it a better option to install an EXIF viewer plugin for your browser, then view images in your browser over the Windows picture viewer.

See the photos above. The ISO is spelled out in normal terms. I also looked at the photo in question and the ISO is 2500.

mystik610 wrote in post #18642708
Yeah higher resolution bodies will have more noise at pixel level. This is why the a7III has half the resolution than the a7rIII, but basically 1 stop less noise at pixel level. But normalized to the same resolution, the noise levels will be about the same between the two sensors.

Long story short...yes a high resolution body has more detail at pixel level, but the downside is that yes you have more noise. But in terms of detail and noise, the 42mp sensor at 50% crop will have as much detail and noise as the 24mp sensor at 100% crop. It's still nice to have the flexibility of the increased pixel level detail though...even if you're subjecting the image to a bit more noise, you're able to crop deeper than you could the 24mp file.

edit: this assumes equivalent sensor designs.

The BSI sensor in the a7rIII actually performs remarkably in terms of noise for a high resolution sensor. A 50% crop from the a7rIII will resolve as much detail as the 24mp 5DIII sensor, but have half the noise.

The top two bird photos, should ISO 250 look that way?

Cropped samples, all same size, ISO 200, 400, 800, and 1250 All exposed the same in good light and cropped only, nothing else done to them. Is this the noise I can expect from this camera? I have these not cropped so tight loading but SmugMug is being extremely slow for some reason.