Sony a7R III

wallstreetoneil wrote in post #18482162
I have three cameras, this is how I mainly use them:

- I shoot events and sports with my main camera being a 1DXii,
- I shoot portraits with my main camera being my 5DSR
- I shoot nearly everything else with my A7Rii and a Canon 24-70 F2.8

My major issue, and the only major issue I have with the Sony A7Rii, and now A7Riii, is that if you are going to be working for hours with a camera in your hands, that Sony camera needs a grip (at least for my hands) - and I can learn to deal with the smallness of it besides the grip.

I say this with all honesty, this new Sony, if it had 85% of the ergonomics of a 5D4 or D850, Canon might not sell another 5D4 - why?
- better sensor
- EVF for metering / exposure
- Eye/AF
- silent shutter if needed

The fact is, Sony is going to sell a crap load of these cameras. I will most likely trade in my A7Rii for the new one, but for me personally, I need really good ergonomics if I'm going to work an event - but if it isn't an event, then the new Sony will take it - and now I think even the 5DSR will get sold.

If I was a Nikon user, with lots of Nikon glass, I would buy the D850 - otherwise the A7Riii is going to start to do real damage to 5D4 sales in my opinion.

shooting a 24-70 is a two handed operation, is it not? You have to zoom in/out, and cant ham it for any appreciable amount of time.

Patbil10 wrote in post #18482219
Not defending anything, don't care what other shoot either and definitely not "butt hurt" . Are the sensors from Nikon/Sony better ? Of course they are ! That doesn't mean Canon is now garbage ? It has nothing to do with "brand loyalty" either...not everyone can afford to jump ship once heavily invested in a system.

People have to stop thinking gear is the solution to everything...knowledge​, competence and skill is where it's really at ! Would my photography be night/day better with an A7RIII or Nikon D850 ? That's a big NOPE ! Right now my only limiting factor is ME...not the gear I use and in my opinion, this is true for most photographers !

Couldn’t agree with you more. But at the same time if people want the latest and greatest at all times then so be it

xpfloyd wrote in post #18482252
Couldn’t agree with you more. But at the same time if people want the latest and greatest at all times then so be it

I dont get it. Youre agreeing with a guy who has a 5d4 who is arguing against upgrading.

And just to be clear in todays sony ecosystem you dont have to sell off all your lenses. You can just buy an adapter and all your doing is either adding a body to your collection or upgrading to a new body. Isnt that the same thing you would do if you bought a new canon less the need of an adapter.

Then add what godox is doing to the flash world. All i need to do is buy a new godox trigger for sony and my flashes are all working with a new body.

Patbil10 wrote in post #18482219
Not defending anything, don't care what other shoot either and definitely not "butt hurt" . Are the sensors from Nikon/Sony better ? Of course they are ! That doesn't mean Canon is now garbage ? It has nothing to do with "brand loyalty" either...not everyone can afford to jump ship once heavily invested in a system !

Im not going to reread the thread but i dont think anyone said canon is garbage. The 5d4, d850 and a7r3 are all excellent cameras.
But again im emphasizing that sony has made it so you arent selling off all your gear and changing systems if you already shoot canon . You buy a sony body and can still use all your canon lenses. So now the decision can easily be looked at as whether you prefer a canon or a sony. Because both will work with the lenses you already own.

elitejp wrote in post #18482279
I dont get it. Youre agreeing with a guy who has a 5d4 who is arguing against upgrading.

And just to be clear in todays sony ecosystem you dont have to sell off all your lenses. You can just buy an adapter and all your doing is either adding a body to your collection or upgrading to a new body. Isnt that the same thing you would do if you bought a new canon less the need of an adapter.

Then add what godox is doing to the flash world. All i need to do is buy a new godox trigger for sony and my flashes are all working with a new body.

Did you even read my previous post?

gjl711 wrote in post #18482216
Where did you see referbs for $2300. At that price the decision to buy becomes pretty easy. On Canon's referb site they show the body only at $2799.

you have to call them because inserting the discount code isn't resetting the price on the site

Charlie wrote in post #18482231
shooting a 24-70 is a two handed operation, is it not? You have to zoom in/out, and cant ham it for any appreciable amount of time.

I'm not exactly sure what this is asking but my comment about the A7rii vs the 5D type body is as follows for me:
- because the camera is not as tall, I can't really hold it properly with only my right hand
- if I do try and hold / balance it with my right hand, as I would hold / balance a 5D3/4/DRS, I find it difficult to change the aperture with my right thumb
- after playing / experimenting with this 'smaller' camera to figure it out, I stumbled upon that holding it with my left hand from below (actually holding the lens) was so much easy and more comfortable - and the biggest thing was that it allowed me, because I was no longer supporting the weight of the camera with my right hand, to place my right hand on the controls in a way that accessing the critical dials was so much easier
- so with my Canon's, I walk around with them in my right hand, and with the Sony, I carry it with my left hand on the lens (at least for the 24-70 which I use 90% of the time)

Patbil10 wrote in post #18482176
The A7RII didn't hurt the 5D3 sales, so why would the A7RIII hurt the 5D4 ? Again, it's more than just camera bodies...it's about the entire ecosystem you're in.

Given how well the a9 and presumably the a7rIII work with adapted lenses, Canon users aren't necessarily locked to an ecosystem anymore

How well does the a9 work with Canon adapted lenses? Does the auto focus work as well as it does with a Canon body?

kat.hayes wrote in post #18482361
How well does the a9 work with Canon adapted lenses? Does the auto focus work as well as it does with a Canon body?

For what I shoot primarily (portraits/events) I'd day Canon lenses focus BETTER on Sony bodies than Canon bodies. Mounted to Sony bodies you get no microfocus issues, AF across the entire frame, and eye AF.

mystik610 wrote in post #18482343
Given how well the a9 and presumably the a7rIII work with adapted lenses, Canon users aren't necessarily locked to an ecosystem anymore

You know what, before upgrading to the 5D4, I was very tempted to buy a Sony A7RII with a Metabones adapter. What stopped me were all the people complaining about inconsistent performance.

Apparently allot of the issues were resolved, however the technician in me can't stop thinking that something will eventually break since you're asking a Sony body to talk to a Canon lens via a Metabones adapter...recipe for eventual failure in my opinion.

Patbil10 wrote in post #18482374
You know what, before upgrading to the 5D4, I was very tempted to buy a Sony A7RII with a Metabones adapter. What stopped me were all the people complaining about inconsistent performance. .

The reason the a7rII could not focus well with adapted glass is because the PDAF system is not up to par with DSLR's. With native glass, the a7rII uses a hybrid of contrast detect and PDAF to focus quickly and consistently , but because hybrid AF is disabled with adapted glass, AF performance took a big hit on the a7rII.

The a9 and a7rII still do not allow hybrid AF with adapted glass, but because the PDAF system is basically dslr caliber, the performance is basically indistinguishable from a dslr lens mounted to a dslr body.

Eh there's no more risk than slapping a sigma lens to a canon body. These adapters are basically just a spacer and a set of electronic contacts allowing data to move between the lens and the body.

mystik610 wrote in post #18482382
Eh there's no more risk than slapping a sigma lens to a canon body. These adapters are basically just a spacer and a set of electronic contacts allowing data to move between the lens and the body.

Uhhh, yes, there is a big difference. Sigma lens to Canon body is 2 layers (Canon/Sigma). Now throw in a Metabones adapter and now you're at 3 layers, which adds complexity in inevitably increases the risk of failure.

Furthermore, the Metabones adapter is much more than a simple "spacer" as it fully communicates with the lens. Extension tubes are "spacers" !

Are there any downsides to using canon lenses with the adapter on a newer sony like the a9, a7r3? how does the size/weight of the lens vs. the smaller body feel?

Patbil10 wrote in post #18482393
Uhhh, yes, there is a big difference. Sigma lens to Canon body is 2 layers (Canon/Sigma). Now throw in a Metabones adapter and now you're at 3 layers, which adds complexity in inevitably increases the risk of failure.

The number of 'layers' is irrelevant as the data transmitted between the lens and body is pretty simple for pure PDAF. It's much more complicated for the things that Sigma and metabones tried to do by tricking the camera to thinking a native lens was attached to allow for hybrid AF. That has its fair share of issues, but this is not necessary with the a9 because the PDAF system is up to snuff.

Patbil10 wrote in post #18482393
Furthermore, the Metabones adapter is much more than a simple "spacer" as it fully communicates with the lens. Extension tubes are "spacers" !

Adapters are basically extension tubes WITH lens contacts, but for pure PDAF, those lens contacts are simply transmitting data. Pure PDAF calculations where you just need the lens to communicate distance info back and forth with the body, is a pretty brand agnostic thing. When it comes to pure PDAF, there is no difference between a $50 adapter or a $450 one in terms of AF performance, because they are just moving data.

I've been using canon glass on adapters since the first a7r was released 4 years ago. There have been all sorts of issues with the AF capabilities of the older bodies (but not the a9), but nothing has ever broken on me.