How painful is the switch from LR to Capture One?

DP, if you look in the clarity tool you have clarity, and structure underneath it. It's a sort of micro contrast tool that uses a wider radius than the sharpening tool.

Levina, when you right click and get the drop down menu, what are you selecting? If you select "Edit with. . . " it will give you file, bit depth, color profile, and software options. Mine was set to 16 bit Tiff and Ps as default. If you select "Open With" it just sends the raw to ACR.

This is the "edit with" window that you should see, unless they've changed it from 9 to 10.

Scatterbrained wrote in post #18484975
DP, if you look in the clarity tool you have clarity, and structure underneath it. It's a sort of micro contrast tool that uses a wider radius than the sharpening tool.

Levina, when you right click and get the drop down menu, what are you selecting? If you select "Edit with. . . " it will give you file, bit depth, color profile, and software options. Mine was set to 16 bit Tiff and Ps as default. If you select "Open With" it just sends the raw to ACR.

My trial is over. Is this the page you are talking about? With the magnifying glass. I think is is the clarity was further below.

Scatterbrained wrote in post #18484978
This is the "edit with" window that you should see, unless they've changed it from 9 to 10.

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No, that's what I see too, although in my version it says EDIT RECIPE. And despite choosing 16 bit TIFF, the file opens as a 8 bit.
Do your files open in Photoshop or in ACR?

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #18485012
No, that's what I see too, although in my version it says EDIT RECIPE. And despite choosing 16 bit TIFF, the file opens as a 8 bit.
Do your files open in Photoshop or in ACR?

If I right click "open with" it opens in ACR. If I right click "edit with....." it gives me that dialog box and opens straight into Ps.

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My trial is over. Is this the page you are talking about? With the magnifying glass. I think is is the clarity was further below.

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Thanks

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #18484917
I have downloaded the trial version of C1 10 yesterday and am playing with it. It has a more professional feel than Lightroom but it also feels rather bloated with a workspace that is filled to the brim. I find all those different panels and duplicate tools rather confusing at the moment; it's not exactly intuitive.

Exporting to PS is going well. I can just click anywhere and the contextual menu pops up, I choose "Edit with" and it opens in ACR. Is that suppose to happen, by the way? I mean, C1 is a RAW converter & editor, why does it still think I need ACR? Does it have tools that C1 doesn't have? But okay, fine. Problem is it is opening my files as 8 bit instead of 16 bit, despite choosing 16 bit in C1. I haven't found what I'm missing here.

Having said that, I like how smooth and quick editing is. Colours look good too. I don't know if I'll switch to it, but I am warming up to it. It's just a real nuisance to have to learn another application. And the lingo is just weird. I mean, "recipes" and "variants"? Makes the help pages pretty much unintelligible right now...

Unlike Lightroom, you can configure your workspace to suit your needs. You can reorder the existing tabs in the interface (CMD/CTRL-drag the tabs) or remove the unnecessary tabs altogether (Right-Click on the tab for a contextual menu). You can also create your own tab and stock with the tools you need (Right-Clicking on a tab also brings up a choice to add tools to that tab). Once you have the workspace set up the way you like it, you can save that workspace (Window > Workspace...). There are also several pre-made workspaces that might suit your needs while you figure it all out.

Process recipes permit you to specify the output that you need. You can create as many as you like and, when you send a file to be processed, you can choose multiple process recipes to be output at the same time. Let's say you want a 16bit TIFF in ProPhoto for further editing in Photoshop, and an 8-bit sRGB JPEG for uploading to the web - no problem, they can be output simultaneously, at different sizes, etc.

To address your issue with exporting, create a process recipe, or edit and existing one, and enable that recipe (select it in the process recipe list) - in the process recipe, you can specify that, after processing, you would like the resulting image to be opened in Photoshop - then when you are ready to send the image to PS, the keyboard shortcut to Process is CMD-D on a Mac (I assume it is CTRL-D on a PC). No need to right-click, etc.

A variant is a virtual copy. A process recipe is an output (format, size, etc.).

Also, explore the little icons on the top right of each tool tab - these give you tool-specific options as well as, for example, the ability to toggle an adjustment on-off to see its effect (OPT-click on the reset icon - PC, I assume it's ALT-click on the reset icon). The Color Editor "..." fly out is particularly useful - it permits your to save your edit as an ICC profile and it also permits you to save the selections you make with the color tool as a mask for a local adjustment layer.

There is a lot of power and flexibility in Capture One. There is a nice library of tutorial videos as well - you should be able to link to the collection from the splash screen.

kirk

Thanks, Kirk. Yes, it's very flexible. Last night I did exactly what you suggest and moved things around, deleted some tabs and generally make it more familiar and in tune with my workflow.

You say "create a process recipe", assuming I know how to do that, which I don't. But looking in every nook and cranny I finally found "process recipes" in the Floating Tool list and tried duplicating the text for an 8 bit TIFF and changing the 8 to 16. That seems to have worked as now my images open as 16 bit files. So that problem is solved.

However, the files still open in ACR and not in Photoshop. Also when it opens in ACR the crop is all wrong. Now, since the crop is still alive in ACR I can simply choose "set to original crop" but it's a nuisance that it won't open in Photoshop because this is an unnecessary step.

And there's something else that I find really odd. I'm running SuperDuper on a second internal drive in my Mac Pro (I keep offline backups as well) and Capture One sees that drive and so lists CS6 apps in duplicate. The thing is it ignores the version of Photoshop CS6 that is on my actual hard drive and insists on using the version on the SuperDuper drive, no matter how often I try choosing the other, correct version. I don't know if it makes any difference to performance, but it's just weird.

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #18485396
Thanks, Kirk. Yes, it's very flexible. Last night I did exactly what you suggest and moved things around, deleted some tabs and generally make it more familiar and in tune with my workflow.

You say "create a process recipe", assuming I know how to do that, which I don't. But looking in every nook and cranny I finally found "process recipes" in the Floating Tool list and tried duplicating the text for an 8 bit TIFF and changing the 8 to 16. That seems to have worked as now my images open as 16 bit files. So that problem is solved.

However, the files still open in ACR and not in Photoshop. Also when it opens in ACR the crop is all wrong. Now, since the crop is still alive in ACR I can simply choose "set to original crop" but it's a nuisance that it won't open in Photoshop because this is an unnecessary step.

And there's something else that I find really odd. I'm running SuperDuper on a second internal drive in my Mac Pro (I keep offline backups as well) and Capture One sees that drive and so lists CS6 apps in duplicate. The thing is it ignores the version of Photoshop CS6 that is on my actual hard drive and insists on using the version on the SuperDuper drive, no matter how often I try choosing the other, correct version. I don't know if it makes any difference to performance, but it's just weird.

They call styles as I recall. You can create it for a module or all of them. What I was interested in was how to set up defaults like LR has so everything is auto applied when you load an image. I could not find that but I probably did not look hard enough. That would be something I would have really missed.

Scatterbrained wrote in post #18485074
If I right click "open with" it opens in ACR. If I right click "edit with....." it gives me that dialog box and opens straight into Ps.

"Edit with" and "Open with" both open my raw files in ACR. There is a difference though.
With "Edit with" the file opens in ACR with all the adjustments in place but with the wrong crop (that I can then correct).
With "Open with" the file opens in ACR with the correct crop but without any of the other adjustments.

Only genuine tiff files and jpegs open directly in Photoshop.

By the way, what's with all the tiff files C1 creates? As I was trying out different things with opening files in Photoshop (and closing them again), I found a whole series of tiff files in C1. And the odd thing is that these tiff files do not open in Photoshop but also in ACR. Can this option of C1 automatically creating tiff files be turned off somewhere? I've looked in the prefs but didn't see anything.

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #18485396
Thanks, Kirk. Yes, it's very flexible. Last night I did exactly what you suggest and moved things around, deleted some tabs and generally make it more familiar and in tune with my workflow.

You say "create a process recipe", assuming I know how to do that, which I don't. But looking in every nook and cranny I finally found "process recipes" in the Floating Tool list and tried duplicating the text for an 8 bit TIFF and changing the 8 to 16. That seems to have worked as now my images open as 16 bit files. So that problem is solved.

However, the files still open in ACR and not in Photoshop. Also when it opens in ACR the crop is all wrong. Now, since the crop is still alive in ACR I can simply choose "set to original crop" but it's a nuisance that it won't open in Photoshop because this is an unnecessary step.

And there's something else that I find really odd. I'm running SuperDuper on a second internal drive in my Mac Pro (I keep offline backups as well) and Capture One sees that drive and so lists CS6 apps in duplicate. The thing is it ignores the version of Photoshop CS6 that is on my actual hard drive and insists on using the version on the SuperDuper drive, no matter how often I try choosing the other, correct version. I don't know if it makes any difference to performance, but it's just weird.

I don not know what SuperDuper is, so I apologize if my response is incorrect for your situation. If you go to your preferences in Photoshop, there is a "Camera Raw" section. You should examine this and choose "Disable TIFF support" from the file handling section. This will keep your TIFFs from opening in the ACR interface.

In the Process tab, when you specify an application in the "Open with..." menu - you can scroll all the way down to the bottom of the menu list and choose "Other" and navigate directly to the CS6 version you want C1 to use.

kirk

Also - in the Adjustments tab of the "Edit with" and "Open with" in Capture One - make sure "Ignore Crop" is not checked.

EDIT - I see that SuperDuper is sort of like Carbon Copy Cloner - a utility to make a bootable mac volume. See if using the "Other..." option in Capture One allows you to navigate to the precise copy of Photoshop CS6 that you want Capture One to use. Make sure that you disable TIFF support in the Camera Raw preferences for this specified copy of Photoshop

kirk

I was thinking of switching also, but what happens if I need to bring a photo into Photoshop to fix something LR or Capture One couldnt?

What do I do then?

mikev63 wrote in post #18485589
I was thinking of switching also, but what happens if I need to bring a photo into Photoshop to fix something LR or Capture One couldnt?

What do I do then?

Send it to Ps. It works the same in Lr and C1. The tiff file is automatically added to the library in both.