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Dec 21, 2017 13:30 |  #136

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my problem is I still think in Film

:eek::rolleyes::mrgreen:

As I said on page three or something of the thread, if it helps, think of different sensors as different film stocks. You wouldn't process two different films the same way. Sensors and digital post-processing is the same.


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Dec 21, 2017 13:52 |  #137

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As I said on page three or something of the thread, if it helps, think of different sensors as different film stocks. You wouldn't process two different films the same way. Sensors and digital post-processing is the same.

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Dec 21, 2017 16:47 |  #138

I Simonius wrote in post #18523425 (external link)
my problem is I still think in Film

:eek::rolleyes::mrgreen:


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Dec 21, 2017 17:50 |  #139

Owain Shaw wrote in post #18523432 (external link)
As I said on page three or something of the thread, if it helps, think of different sensors as different film stocks. You wouldn't process two different films the same way. Sensors and digital post-processing is the same.

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Dec 22, 2017 04:24 |  #140

I Simonius wrote in post #18523456 (external link)
By George I think he's got it!

:)

Yay! Do I win a prize?

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bw!

Yay! I do win a prize.

Elaborating further on the comparison. The reason why sometimes we struggle to adjust to different digital cameras and how their images look in or after post-processing is the same reason that drove film photographers to buy up batches of their favourite film stock when it was going out of production - or previously before large projects when they wanted to achieve a consistent look. They liked how it shot, how it looked, how it rendered. They were comfortable with it and its processes and didn't want to change. Shoot for a long time with one particular type of digital sensor and the same thing will happen. Some people like to keep all their lenses within the same family for that same reason - consistency in lens materials and coatings to keep their colours and contrast the way they like them. Introduce a Sigma Art lens into an L shooter's bag and it's not that the lens is any better or worse but it might well be different to what they are used to and the results may not satisfy them. These are objective differences, they do exist, but they are subjective preferences. I think that is the other root cause of the discussion we've been having in this thread.

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Dec 23, 2017 14:41 |  #141

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Your computer must smell of vinegar by now.

Do you mean I eat chips off it??


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Dec 23, 2017 14:43 |  #142

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Yay! Do I win a prize?

Yay! I do win a prize.

Elaborating further on the comparison. The reason why sometimes we struggle to adjust to different digital cameras and how their images look in or after post-processing is the same reason that drove film photographers to buy up batches of their favourite film stock when it was going out of production - or previously before large projects when they wanted to achieve a consistent look. They liked how it shot, how it looked, how it rendered. They were comfortable with it and its processes and didn't want to change. Shoot for a long time with one particular type of digital sensor and the same thing will happen. Some people like to keep all their lenses within the same family for that same reason - consistency in lens materials and coatings to keep their colours and contrast the way they like them. Introduce a Sigma Art lens into an L shooter's bag and it's not that the lens is any better or worse but it might well be different to what they are used to and the results may not satisfy them. These are objective differences, they do exist, but they are subjective preferences. I think that is the other root cause of the discussion we've been having in this thread.

I'm going to stop now. I'm worried about ruining my book worthiness. #notworthy

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True. I bought a lot of Kodachrome 25 and agfapan 25 at one point ...but they ran out of course


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Dec 23, 2017 18:12 as a reply to  @ I Simonius's post |  #143

Nope, that familiar smell of fixer in the darkroom, a bit like vinegar.


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Dec 23, 2017 20:46 |  #144

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Nope, that familiar smell of fixer in the darkroom, a bit like vinegar.

When I was a young kid I played with b/w darkroom processing. As a kid I did some dodge/burn and simple fun artsy stuff.

I remember that chemical vinegar smell vividly :)


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Dec 24, 2017 06:03 |  #145

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Nope, that familiar smell of fixer in the darkroom, a bit like vinegar.

aha! I remember the fixer smell as if it was still up my nose today , but I had never thought of it as vinegar, it's certainly not something I'd want on my chips!!

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Dec 26, 2017 05:35 |  #146

I didn't inhale.


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Dec 26, 2017 07:28 |  #147

I Simonius wrote in post #18525240 (external link)
aha! I remember the fixer smell as if it was still up my nose today , but I had never thought of it as vinegar, it's certainly not something I'd want on my chips!!

LOL

Yes you are right, stop bath was the vinegar smell & fixer was the unforgettable linger, perhaps my mind blocked that out for a while but it's back now. Deep breaths.


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Mar 12, 2018 15:31 |  #148

Saw this thread trying to research about the new Canon M50 coming out next month.
I was in similar spot to the OP - was planning on switching to Fuji Mirrorless (either X-t20, X-t2, or X-h1), but then the Canon M50 came out.
The main reason I didn't jump on the M5 or M6 is the lack of 4K video shooting (which I don't use regularly, but it's nice to have available).
Now that the M50 has 4K, I'm considering staying with Canon.

My main reason for switching to mirrorless is the weight/size factor. I'm switching from a 40D and M3 (I they're old, so it's time for an upgrade).

It seems like the Fuji lens selection is way better than the Canon M lens selection. However I have an adaptor, so can use EF/EF-S lenses, but those lenses are big
and would defeat the purpose of going mirrorless for me.

A colleague of mine switched to Fuji a few years ago and gushes over how great the sensor and his images are. I'm not sure how much better the sensor is vs. the canon M50 sensor.

Fuji: Pros - good lens selection for mirroless.
Cons: Cost - I'd have to change systems and buy a bunch of new lenses. So it'd cost several thousand dollars
AF speed - I've read that the Fuji AF in low light is not up to par vs. canon.

Canon: Pros - cost savings
Cons: poor mirrorless lens selection

Any thoughts and opinions on the differences in capabilities between these cameras would be appreciated.

PS: I mainly shoot landscapes and family photos, although low light capability does come into play for shooting children's events like indoor performances/plays.




  
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Mar 12, 2018 15:52 |  #149

Oeijur wrote in post #18583826 (external link)
Saw this thread trying to research about the new Canon M50 coming out next month.
I was in similar spot to the OP - was planning on switching to Fuji Mirrorless (either X-t20, X-t2, or X-h1), but then the Canon M50 came out.
The main reason I didn't jump on the M5 or M6 is the lack of 4K video shooting (which I don't use regularly, but it's nice to have available).
Now that the M50 has 4K, I'm considering staying with Canon.

My main reason for switching to mirrorless is the weight/size factor. I'm switching from a 40D and M3 (I they're old, so it's time for an upgrade).

It seems like the Fuji lens selection is way better than the Canon M lens selection. However I have an adaptor, so can use EF/EF-S lenses, but those lenses are big
and would defeat the purpose of going mirrorless for me.

A colleague of mine switched to Fuji a few years ago and gushes over how great the sensor and his images are. I'm not sure how much better the sensor is vs. the canon M50 sensor.

Fuji: Pros - good lens selection for mirroless.
Cons: Cost - I'd have to change systems and buy a bunch of new lenses. So it'd cost several thousand dollars
AF speed - I've read that the Fuji AF in low light is not up to par vs. canon.

Canon: Pros - cost savings
Cons: poor mirrorless lens selection

Any thoughts and opinions on the differences in capabilities between these cameras would be appreciated.

PS: I mainly shoot landscapes and family photos, although low light capability does come into play for shooting children's events like indoor performances/plays.

You say 4K video was a factor so be aware that the new canons 4K video has a crop on it.. an additional 1.7 crop. Going to be very diffuclt to get wide ..

Fuji also has a crop in 4k.. but of only 1.17 if i recall correctly


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Mar 12, 2018 16:46 |  #150

Oeijur wrote in post #18583826 (external link)
Saw this thread trying to research about the new Canon M50 coming out next month.
I was in similar spot to the OP - was planning on switching to Fuji Mirrorless (either X-t20, X-t2, or X-h1), but then the Canon M50 came out.
The main reason I didn't jump on the M5 or M6 is the lack of 4K video shooting (which I don't use regularly, but it's nice to have available).
Now that the M50 has 4K, I'm considering staying with Canon.

My main reason for switching to mirrorless is the weight/size factor. I'm switching from a 40D and M3 (I they're old, so it's time for an upgrade).

It seems like the Fuji lens selection is way better than the Canon M lens selection. However I have an adaptor, so can use EF/EF-S lenses, but those lenses are big
and would defeat the purpose of going mirrorless for me.

A colleague of mine switched to Fuji a few years ago and gushes over how great the sensor and his images are. I'm not sure how much better the sensor is vs. the canon M50 sensor.

Fuji: Pros - good lens selection for mirroless.
Cons: Cost - I'd have to change systems and buy a bunch of new lenses. So it'd cost several thousand dollars
AF speed - I've read that the Fuji AF in low light is not up to par vs. canon.

Canon: Pros - cost savings
Cons: poor mirrorless lens selection

Any thoughts and opinions on the differences in capabilities between these cameras would be appreciated.

PS: I mainly shoot landscapes and family photos, although low light capability does come into play for shooting children's events like indoor performances/plays.

Not sure where you read that Canon's mirrorless AF is better, from everything I've seen it's sort of a toss up (though the Canon's is better for video since it's smoother to transition).

There are also now adapters on the market which will give full AF support with Canon lenses on a Fuji body, that could help ease your transition. You can also find great deals on used lenses if you look around (I haven't paid more than $300 for any of my lenses).

As noted above, the M50 4K is pretty limited, imo Fuji and Sony have implemented it much better. Less crop on the Fuji and you get great in camera color profiles.

Also note that you basically get the same performance whether you go with an X-T20 for $800 or an X-T2 for $1600, they use the same AF systems and sensors, Fuji is awesome about keeping all their models up to date with strong firmware support to speed up the cameras as they age and newer tech comes out. The things you get for the extra cash are things like weather sealing, bigger and faster refresh EVF, more mechanical controls, dual memory card slots, etc.


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