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Focal length for 6-7 year old kids basketball?

 
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Dec 12, 2017 18:16 |  #1

I've shot arena soccer in the same location several times with my 70-200 and it was just about perfect. Having been to a few basketball games now, it seems like the kids are bunched up more than they were in soccer. I'm planning to be on the floor at one of the corners but now I'm thinking the 70-200 might be too long and that the 24-70 might be better when they're all crowded under the basket. Any thoughts from anyone who's shot this age range?




  
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Dec 13, 2017 20:06 |  #2

Full frame or crop? I use 70-200 all the time on a full-frame under the basket. If I had a crop, I'd probably use the 24-70 more, though I'd still use the 70-200 quite often


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Dec 13, 2017 21:24 |  #3

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Full frame or crop? I use 70-200 all the time on a full-frame under the basket. If I had a crop, I'd probably use the 24-70 more, though I'd still use the 70-200 quite often

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Dec 13, 2017 23:31 |  #4

Try both, chimp, shoot more of the second half with your favorite. I'd probably go with the 70-200 for most of the time. I like tight shots. 6-7 is more about emotion and less about physical skills.

I was baseline, next to basket for these. Pretty sure all of these were shot with the 70-200, on a crop sensor. And yes, that's W watching from the from row.
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Dec 13, 2017 23:37 |  #5

How is the light and do you have the f2.8 or f4 version of the 70-200?

70-200 f2.8 for me. I also shot the 135 on the 6D and a 85 on the 7D2, both at 2.8.


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Dec 14, 2017 00:30 |  #6

FarmerTed1971 wrote in post #18517465 (external link)
How is the light and do you have the f2.8 or f4 version of the 70-200?

70-200 f2.8 for me. I also shot the 135 on the 6D and a 85 on the 7D2, both at 2.8.

I have the 2.8 II. They play in 3 different gyms. The light in one -- where I shot the arena soccer last year -- is terrible. I was at f/2.8 and ISO 12,800-16,000 to get 1/500, depending on whether any lights were out and if any natural light was making its way through the little windows. Thankfully the light in the other two are better so I'll probably shoot there. I did a test shot in one gym with my phone and it's almost 2 stops brighter than the 1st gym.




  
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Jan 29, 2018 19:43 |  #7

this is my big dilema now... My son is now a little older, 14, but I've been struggling to shoot for the past few years... right now I have an older t3I that struggles lol, with a 70-200 2.8 and a 24-70 2.8.... however I find a lot that I have to switch depending on the situation and how much room there is behind the basket... so now as I prepare to upgrade my body, I am stuck between the 7dII and the 5dIII.

what makes me lean towards the 5dIII (even though it's more and I only use it for shooting my son and his team, nothing else ever lol) is:
1. FF for these terrible lit gyms and much better high ISO performance
2. the much better focal range
these 2 items seem very important. the 70-200 on a crop would be equal to about a 43-125MM (if you went backwards) and most of my shots seem to always be stuck at around 50-80 (on the crop)... which means the 24-70 is sometimes a little short and the 70-200 sometimes is a little long
so my thinking is with the FF, I might be able to just leave the 70-200 pretty much all the time unless it's really cramped...

would love to hear your opinions and experiences of this issue as I've had a very difficult time deciding between the 2.

of course the 7dII gives some very important features (for basketball) as well,
true auto iso
anti flicker
better AF with 65 points
10 FPS

it's been an impossible decision for me....




  
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Jan 29, 2018 20:27 |  #8

135/2 for basketball on FF for kids. 85mm for adults.

works for me and my goto setup. Although I've been known to use the 120-300 alot too.


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Jan 29, 2018 21:38 |  #9

I brought the 70-200 and 24-70 but shot the 70-200 the whole time. I mostly hung out around the corners. 1/3 of the keepers were at 200 mm so I'm glad I had the reach. Lighting at this gym was good for f/2.8, 1/500, ISO 6400 although the floor was green and yellow so there was lots of color casts to deal with. 16% of my shots were as 70 mm so I could have used a 24-70 if I had a second body and were shooting professionally. I had fun and the other parents enjoyed seeing their kids captured with something better than a wide angle lens from 30' away at 1/20 sec.




  
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Jan 29, 2018 22:09 |  #10

I mostly use 135 and 24. Mainly because the are my best lenses. I mostly use my 7d2 which works well for basketball.

I think a 2.8 zoom would work well.


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Jan 30, 2018 07:18 as a reply to  @ mike_d's post |  #11

yes this is what I'm thinking... so the 70-200 on the FF might be the only real lens needed for basketball, outside of some wide angle shots here and there... this is what leans me towards the 5dIII over the 7dII, for this reason alone really....




  
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Jan 30, 2018 11:50 |  #12

I think 70-200 on full frame would cover 90%. I only shoot basketball for fun but for my personal use I find the 135 covers a lot of what I want to shoot. Once in a while I get a few wider shots with one of my other lenses but my favorites usually come from the 135.


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Jan 30, 2018 18:41 |  #13

Well I’m sure you’re right however I already have the 70-200 and I really like having the ability to zoom in and out. Every gym we are is different each time and so is the distance to the players, at least from under the basket so to me having the ability to zoom is a must have. I got halfway decent shots last season given the limits of my equipment, and poor lighting, but mainly because of the limits of my t3i body. But I do find on the crop I had to switch lenses a lot as most of my shots were in the 50-85 range (on crop), however with a full frame those all fall into one range, not to mention a much better ability to handle low light compared to the crop... this is my thinking anyways, I am no pro or anything of the sort, just dad taking pics of the kids, which makes it a little tough to buy a Ff now lol...




  
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Jan 31, 2018 20:26 |  #14

heat00 wrote in post #18552068 (external link)
this is my big dilema now... [...] so now as I prepare to upgrade my body, I am stuck between the 7dII and the 5dIII.

what makes me lean towards the 5dIII (even though it's more and I only use it for shooting my son and his team, nothing else ever lol) is...

I've never owned the 7D Mk II so I can't really comment on it, but it has anti-flicker and in a couple of gyms I shoot in with the 1D X Mk II that feature is a godsend.

I think a 1D Mk IV at half the price of a used 5D Mk III would be a better choice than the 5D. I could never get excited about my 5D Mk III when I used it for sports. I loved the silent shutter for events and that is the only reason I kept it. I recently purchased a decent condition 1D Mk IV for $650 for a remote. You could find a similar deal, give it a try, and if you didn't like it you'd be able to get your money back. That might buy you enough time to wait for the replacement to come out for the 7D Mk II.


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