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Jan 04, 2018 21:00 |  #1

I have an non-photographer outdoorsman friend who would like to get pictures of the animals he encounters, some at a distance.
Weight would be a factor, but not money so much.

This is not at all my area. I looked at some super-zoom point and shoots but the image quality fell apart at the long end.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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Jan 04, 2018 22:00 |  #2

Have you looked at the SX50 and SX60IS cameras? IQ isn't all that bad really for a super zoom as long as you stay with the optical zoom and turn off the digital zoom.

The alternative is something like an SL1 or SL2 and a Sigma 150-600, but the Sigma is pretty heavy.


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Jan 04, 2018 22:11 |  #3

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...but the image quality fell apart at the long end.

Stay away from Digital zoom & only use Optical zoom & you should see better results.

This might be one to consider: Sony Cyber-shot Digital Camera H200 (external link) has some nice features:
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Jan 04, 2018 22:17 |  #4

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Stay away from Digital zoom & only use Optical zoom & you should see better results.

This might be one to consider: Sony Cyber-shot Digital Camera H200 (external link) has some nice features:
26x optical zoom, 20.1MP sensor ,in-camera stabilization, HD video1, available-anywhere AA batteries.

Thanks Frank, I'll look at it.
Of course digital zoom is just a marketing tool.




  
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Jan 04, 2018 23:07 |  #5

if money not a big issue: Sony RX10 IV, 24-600mm with a 1" BSI sensor.

next closest would be a DSLR like 80D with tamron 18-400 or something. That should be significantly bigger though.

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Jan 04, 2018 23:14 |  #6

the sx60hs is 21 to almost 1400mm optical. there is a Nikon that does a better than this. not a bad camera, had one a while back


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Jan 05, 2018 09:18 |  #7

I know of quite a few folks who really highly rate the Nikon P900 when it comes to superzoom cameras. It offers a 35mm Eq focal length range of 24-2000mm. The biggest drawback I can see is the tiny sensor, 1/2.3" is pretty small, which means that the true focal length of the lens is 4.3-357mm. The only thing is that you give up a lot of stuff you would normally expect from a £500+ camera, the most significant of which is no RAW. Then you have only ISO 100-1600, shutter speed range is 1 second to 1/4000s. The thing is that many of the things that will make a keen photographer not like this camera, will be perfectly fine for anyone who just wants pictures. Oh video is "only" 1080p@60fps.

Great camera for the person in the street who needs nice images of stuff a long way away. This probably sounds just what might be needed in this case.

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Jan 05, 2018 10:19 |  #8

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I know of quite a few folks who really highly rate the Nikon P900 when it comes to superzoom cameras. It offers a 35mm Eq focal length range of 24-2000mm. The biggest drawback I can see is the tiny sensor, 1/2.3" is pretty small, which means that the true focal length of the lens is 4.3-357mm. The only thing is that you give up a lot of stuff you would normally expect from a £500+ camera, the most significant of which is no RAW. Then you have only ISO 100-1600, shutter speed range is 1 second to 1/4000s. The thing is that many of the things that will make a keen photographer not like this camera, will be perfectly fine for anyone who just wants pictures. Oh video is "only" 1080p@60fps.

Great camera for the person in the street who needs nice images of stuff a long way away. This probably sounds just what might be needed in this case.

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I second that notion.

For those who want a superduper-zoom in a small package, the P900 is a really good solution. I know a guy who used to own a full array of Nikon DSLR equipment who downsized to the P900 and he's extremely happy with it. The zoom ability of that camera is remarkable and the IQ at range is very good for a P&S/bridge.


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Jan 05, 2018 10:35 |  #9

So the top 2 contenders in this market, some comparisons (SX60HS and P900)

http://www.imaging-resource.com …canon/sx60/vs/n​ikon/p900/ (external link)

https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=G4b9a8tPsfU (external link)

http://www.techradar.c​om …kon-p900-1294602/review/4 (external link)

http://www.cameradebat​e.com …-hx400v-vs-canon-sx60-hs/ (external link)

If one decides on the Canon and is in the US, it is on sale at the Canon refurb store.

https://shop.usa.canon​.com …rbished-PowerShot-Cameras (external link)


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Jan 05, 2018 10:58 |  #10

Thank you all for the great responses. I'll get to work looking at them.
One concern I have is the size and weight issue for the larger cameras.




  
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Jan 05, 2018 11:05 |  #11

PhotosGuy wrote in post #18533738 (external link)
Stay away from Digital zoom & only use Optical zoom & you should see better results.

... unless one is shooting in highly-compressed JPEG without RAW, in which case a 2x digital zoom will contain more real detail than a cropped image at maximum optical zoom only, because less detail from the area of interest (the digitial crop or "zoom") is discarded in the creation of the JPEG.

It is better to have a camera that has optical zoom, usually, at the magnification that you desire, but that does not mean that you shouldn't use digital zoom if available. If you have maxed out analog zoom, and digital zoom can be fixed at exactly 2x, its only downside is that it crops permanently any shake in the camera, or jumping of the subject, in the JPEG, and possibly in a RAW, if the camera also crops the RAW image. If you can hold the camera steady enough, it may not be bad to use the digital zoom at exactly 2x; just don't substitute it for optical zoom. Another point in that regard is that the maximum aperture size gets smaller as you zoom out (even though the minimum f-number goes down). So, you generally get more light and less noise with the same shutter speed, using optical zoom instead of relying on digital zoom.




  
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Jan 05, 2018 11:13 |  #12

Pinto wrote in post #18534016 (external link)
Thank you all for the great responses. I'll get to work looking at them.
One concern I have is the size and weight issue for the larger cameras.

These bridge cameras aren't heavy at all. They are a bit bulky, about the size of a Rebel maybe. When you zoom out, the lens will extend out from the body a good ways as well, but nothing nearly what a DSLR and equivalent focal length lens would. :)

You can get a good idea of size in this video.
https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=LEw7-h8mEf4 (external link)

Wildlife use
https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=j0XtjCbdce4 (external link)

These types of videos were reasons why I bought the SX60HS. Eventually though, a coworker wanted a good travel camera, and I sold her mine, and bought the SL2. The P900 was also on my list, and I don't think you can go wrong with either one.

If the SX70HS gets announced, it will be a very interesting camera.


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Jan 05, 2018 11:19 |  #13

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These bridge cameras aren't heavy at all. They are a bit bulky, about the size of a Rebel maybe. When you zoom out, the lens will extend out from the body a good ways as well, but nothing nearly what a DSLR and equivalent focal length lens would. :)

You can get a good idea of size in this video.
https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=LEw7-h8mEf4 (external link)

Wildlife use
https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=j0XtjCbdce4 (external link)

These types of videos were reasons why I bought the SX60HS. Eventually though, a coworker wanted a good travel camera, and I sold her mine, and bought the SL2. The P900 was also on my list, and I don't think you can go wrong with either one.

This will be very helpful. Thank you!




  
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Jan 05, 2018 11:27 |  #14

Fun P900 zoom video too, a great tool for vacation (with good lighting)!

https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=Xx-cDY2z8z0 (external link)

This should scare you, these cameras provide perhaps a bit too much zoom... ;)

https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=i76xvuLUNVQ (external link)


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Jan 05, 2018 12:47 |  #15

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18534054 (external link)
Fun P900 zoom video too, a great tool for vacation (with good lighting)!

https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=Xx-cDY2z8z0 (external link)

This should scare you, these cameras provide perhaps a bit too much zoom... ;)

https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=i76xvuLUNVQ (external link)

That zoom is really something, but detail suffering at moderate ISOs I think would be a concern. The P900 and the SX60 will give him two great choices. Thanks again.




  
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