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Mar 07, 2019 20:34 |  #376

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Just playing with the M50 today using the Sigma 150-600 with Canon 1.4 TC t0 see if I could make a pic with this combo.:-)

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Not bad at all. Did the combo autofocus?




  
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Mar 07, 2019 22:25 |  #377

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Not bad at all. Did the combo autofocus?

Yes, it does autofocus. Actually much better than I supposed it might.ߘ


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Mar 08, 2019 05:34 |  #378

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Yes, it does autofocus. Actually much better than I supposed it might.ߘ

Thanks. My Tamron 150-600 won't autofocus with any 1.4 teleconverter (and I have a few) on any body. I should look into M50 and what makes it different.




  
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Mar 08, 2019 06:06 |  #379

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Thanks. My Tamron 150-600 won't autofocus with any 1.4 teleconverter (and I have a few) on any body. I should look into M50 and what makes it different.

The Canon mirrorless (R and RP included) will AF up to about f11. This means I am able to get AF with a 2x on a Sigma 150-600, giving me AF at 1200mm. It appears that Canon removed the arbitrary blockage of AF in the camera at some aperture, unlike the DSLRs.

The DSLRs would AF at beyond f8 if you had a non-reporting TC and good light, so Canon unnecessarily hobbled those.


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Mar 08, 2019 06:24 |  #380

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The Canon mirrorless (R and RP included) will AF up to about f11. This means I am able to get AF with a 2x on a Sigma 150-600, giving me AF at 1200mm. It appears that Canon removed the arbitrary blockage of AF in the camera at some aperture, unlike the DSLRs.

The DSLRs would AF at beyond f8 if you had a non-reporting TC and good light, so Canon unnecessarily hobbled those.

Thanks for the info. Now, I am intrigued by the M50. Always hungry for more reach :-)




  
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Mar 08, 2019 06:35 |  #381

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The Canon mirrorless (R and RP included) will AF up to about f11. This means I am able to get AF with a 2x on a Sigma 150-600, giving me AF at 1200mm. It appears that Canon removed the arbitrary blockage of AF in the camera at some aperture, unlike the DSLRs.

The DSLRs would AF at beyond f8 if you had a non-reporting TC and good light, so Canon unnecessarily hobbled those.

The R focuses quite well at f16. (Sometimes it needs some help if it is a long way out of focus)


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Mar 08, 2019 07:03 |  #382

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18825227 (external link)
The Canon mirrorless (R and RP included) will AF up to about f11. This means I am able to get AF with a 2x on a Sigma 150-600, giving me AF at 1200mm. It appears that Canon removed the arbitrary blockage of AF in the camera at some aperture, unlike the DSLRs.

The DSLRs would AF at beyond f8 if you had a non-reporting TC and good light, so Canon unnecessarily hobbled those.

They go on past f11, I've just tried the 1.4xIII stacked with the 2xII on the M5 and sigma 150-600 and it's still auto focusing and reporting f13.




  
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Mar 08, 2019 07:17 |  #383

Yes given good light, it will go beyond f11. This is why believe Canon finally removed that "max aperture AF" setting. It was a bit silly to begin with. Sure the systems in the past would hunt if there wasn't enough light, but don't restrict it to an aperture, buy rather an exposure level perhaps.

It is a very nice "unadvertised" perk of the Canon mirrorless.

Sibil, keep an eye on the Canon refurb deals. I picked up my M50 for $500 brand new through Teds Electronics on ebay, great rating for the store, and delivery was fast. I picked up a Fotodiox EF/EFS adapter, but since buying the Viltrox EF .71x TC/booster, I haven't used the Fotodiox.

This booster on the M50 makes the M50 a mini EOS R/RP to an extent. It will be a 1.1 crop and ISO management isn't anywhere as good, but still, the look is very much FF.


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Mar 08, 2019 07:35 |  #384

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Yes given good light, it will go beyond f11. This is why believe Canon finally removed that "max aperture AF" setting. It was a bit silly to begin with. Sure the systems in the past would hunt if there wasn't enough light, but don't restrict it to an aperture, buy rather an exposure level perhaps.

It is a very nice "unadvertised" perk of the Canon mirrorless.

Sibil, keep an eye on the Canon refurb deals. I picked up my M50 for $500 brand new through Teds Electronics on ebay, great rating for the store, and delivery was fast. I picked up a Fotodiox EF/EFS adapter, but since buying the Viltrox EF .71x TC/booster, I haven't used the Fotodiox.

This booster on the M50 makes the M50 a mini EOS R/RP to an extent. It will be a 1.1 crop and ISO management isn't anywhere as good, but still, the look is very much FF.

Even in the most diabolical light like here and now where I was testing it!
Are you sure you're not kidding yourself a bit with the "turning your m50 into a FF" thing? Putting a negative TC on it just alters the lens characteristics, the body is still the same crop sensor, in the same way you're not calling your 5DIV a crop camera when you've got a +TC on the lens.




  
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Mar 08, 2019 07:48 |  #385

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Even in the most diabolical light like here and now where I was testing it!
Are you sure you're not kidding yourself a bit with the "turning your m50 into a FF" thing? Putting a negative TC on it just alters the lens characteristics, the body is still the same crop sensor, in the same way you're not calling your 5DIV a crop camera when you've got a +TC on the lens.

I said this, so I suspect we are in agreement in regards the sensor. It puts the lens back to close to what it is focal length wise (and therefore DOF) wise on the crop body. At ISOs below 6400, there is little to differentiate the results from M50/booster and FF.

This booster on the M50 makes the M50 a mini EOS R/RP to an extent. It will be a 1.1 crop and ISO management isn't anywhere as good, but still, the look is very much FF.

Just a quick example (posted before), it is more a boost IMO for fast primes. A 50mm f1.4 acts more like an 80mm f2 lens on a crop for the overall effect. However, now that lens acts like a 55mm f1.5 now on the M50, very close to what it appears from a FF.

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Mar 08, 2019 09:51 |  #386

Old sigma 50 1.4 that shows exif of 35mm f1 on the M50... The booster now creates lens combinations that don't exist on the marketplace for crop body owners.

I asked her to pose again this morning, and all I got was this. :D

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Mar 08, 2019 12:20 |  #387

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I said this, so I suspect we are in agreement in regards the sensor. It puts the lens back to close to what it is focal length wise (and therefore DOF) wise on the crop body. At ISOs below 6400, there is little to differentiate the results from M50/booster and FF.

Just a quick example (posted before), it is more a boost IMO for fast primes. A 50mm f1.4 acts more like an 80mm f2 lens on a crop for the overall effect. However, now that lens acts like a 55mm f1.5 now on the M50, very close to what it appears from a FF.

Like I said, it just alters the lens characteristics, it doesn't turn the M50 into a mini R/RP. As we all know there is very little difference between FF and crop anyway, there are very few instances where anyone could tell what was used.

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Old sigma 50 1.4 that shows exif of 35mm f1 on the M50... The booster now creates lens combinations that don't exist on the marketplace for crop body owners.

Novelty lens, it'll get used for a few very shallow DOF cat shots and then left in the cupboard! ;-)a




  
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Mar 08, 2019 12:50 |  #388

Thank you all for the info on the M50. Apparently I completely missed the boat on this one. I have been thinking about eventually getting an SL2 when the prices went lower, but M50 seems to be a better choice for about the same body size. I need to read up on the M50 some more, even though I thought the GAS was going to be under control for 2019.




  
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Mar 08, 2019 13:56 |  #389

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Like I said, it just alters the lens characteristics, it doesn't turn the M50 into a mini R/RP. As we all know there is very little difference between FF and crop anyway, there are very few instances where anyone could tell what was used.

Novelty lens, it'll get used for a few very shallow DOF cat shots and then left in the cupboard! ;-)a

Well I am working from home, kids are all at school, and it is still cold out with no animals, so this is what you get today. My next paid gig isn't until this evening. :)

Actually the difference with and without the booster is quite significant. And yes, there are differences between crop and FF when you try to equalize the framing, where the FF now has a smaller noticeable DOF. This booster gives that same effect to the M50. If you want to compare a cropped FF to a crop body, then sure, it can be difficult to tell BECAUSE you cropped the FF out equaling the crop body. But I feel you know this already. ;)

I have used it for portraits, and also since it doubles as an EF adapter, it has been doubly useful.

Finally the EOS RP is an M50 with a 6D2 sensor. It has ALL the same features/functions, and the same LCD and EVF, and the same battery life. So this booster on the M50 with EF glass compared to the same lens on the EOS RP will be quite, quite close, for quite a bit less. Add the fact that at ISO 200 and under, the M50 has better DR than the RP, and that is quite cool as well.


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Mar 08, 2019 14:05 |  #390

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Thank you all for the info on the M50. Apparently I completely missed the boat on this one. I have been thinking about eventually getting an SL2 when the prices went lower, but M50 seems to be a better choice for about the same body size. I need to read up on the M50 some more, even though I thought the GAS was going to be under control for 2019.

Yes this is much better overall than the SL2. I loved the SL2, but the AF system was terrible, there was no reason that couldn't have had at least the 7D AF points/system than a continuation of the SL1. The rest of the camera was great, but the archaic old 9pt AF is terrible.

The M50 isn't great for sports though with the blackout, but 8fps is nice over the RP is nice. Other things are nice though. Also the Rokinon 50 1.2 and 12 f2 lenses are very good on the M50. Just so many options available with f11 or better AF, focus peaking, manual focus lenses, etc.


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