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Apr 15, 2018 11:54 |  #286

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I'd suggest enjoying your A7R3 and when the A9mk2 comes out I'd say jump on that one. At this moment when I analyze my style of shooting I don't think I could purchase an A7S series as the cheap A7iii already covers most basis for me and a lot of other still photographers. I cannot comment on video because I'm a small clip shooter for family and voluntary minor videography.

The A9mk2 should retain the smaller Mega pixel count sensor so this would suite your daily photos without filling up the hard drive too fast. When you want higher MP files grab the killer A7Rmk3.

quite frankly, I see video is good on the R2, Amazing on the R3, and the 7mk3 should be even better except for that minor crop, which may be annoying if using primes. Sure, 4K 60p would be better, but I’ll wait for 4K 120p for a more meaningful upgrade. I do use 1080 120 a ton, so that’s just logical.

For the file sizes, I have a mixed approach. If it’s just light shooting, I’ll import all. Heavy shooting, I’ll either rate and import, or for snapshots, I’ll lock keepers, then delete, then convert to 10mp Raw via DNG converter and import


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Apr 15, 2018 13:35 |  #287

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quite frankly, I see video is good on the R2, Amazing on the R3, and the 7mk3 should be even better except for that minor crop, which may be annoying if using primes. Sure, 4K 60p would be better, but I’ll wait for 4K 120p for a more meaningful upgrade. I do use 1080 120 a ton, so that’s just logical.

For the file sizes, I have a mixed approach. If it’s just light shooting, I’ll import all. Heavy shooting, I’ll either rate and import, or for snapshots, I’ll lock keepers, then delete, then convert to 10mp Raw via DNG converter and import


Hmmm Charlie sounds like you have a good system in place.

I'm quite pleased with the how things are coming along with Sony. I definitely can feel the need to go all native. However so far I've been getting consistent results with my adapted Canon 24Lmk2 and 35 f/2IS.

I do find the slightly more MP of my 5dmk4 to be a step above my 5dmk3. I can imagine a pleasing gut feel of editing an A7rmk2/3 raw file with incredible details.

So far the 24 MP files from the A7iii is very good to my eyes. I'm so junior to Sony RAW files in LR that I'm just getting a feel of how to manipulate the settings.

Hey anyone care to share their "typical" basic presets they hammer their Sony files with???? is there a drastic workflow difference between the A7R2/3 and an older A7rmk2??? I would imagine so.......

So far I see more clarity in the Sony files.....almost as if I was using alot of clarity on the slider of my Canon files.

No complaints because I'm just getting a feel of how Sony RAW files manipulate.


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Apr 15, 2018 14:15 |  #288

AlanU wrote in post #18607386 (external link)
Hmmm Charlie sounds like you have a good system in place.

I'm quite pleased with the how things are coming along with Sony. I definitely can feel the need to go all native. However so far I've been getting consistent results with my adapted Canon 24Lmk2 and 35 f/2IS.

I do find the slightly more MP of my 5dmk4 to be a step above my 5dmk3. I can imagine a pleasing gut feel of editing an A7rmk2/3 raw file with incredible details.

So far the 24 MP files from the A7iii is very good to my eyes. I'm so junior to Sony RAW files in LR that I'm just getting a feel of how to manipulate the settings.

Hey anyone care to share their "typical" basic presets they hammer their Sony files with???? is there a drastic workflow difference between the A7R2/3 and an older A7rmk2??? I would imagine so.......

So far I see more clarity in the Sony files.....almost as if I was using alot of clarity on the slider of my Canon files.

No complaints because I'm just getting a feel of how Sony RAW files manipulate.

I played the adapting game for years, still have tamron's 28-75 f2.8 and 70-200 f2.8 VC adapted. Sony equivalent is too much money for the incidental use, especially the 70-200, which I rarely use since I typically favor the 135 prime for size.

Get yourself at least a small prime like the 28/35 or 50 1.8, I have them all and love them all. Having owned 4 different type of sony bodies, there is subtle difference in color science for all of them, with the late models most pleasing and generally better at WB. LR tends to oversaturate one channel and that always irked me, so I use capture one for more subtle hues. Problem with capture one is that you cant import a stack into photoshop..... at least, it's not nearly as clean as doing from LR. Having a skin tone picker seems to do the trick for me, when high quality skin tones are an utmost priority. There tends to be a green bias with sony files, so be ready to slide the tint with LR. Once you square away WB issues, the rest is cake.

BTW, you can set a bias in your AWB settings, and that's how I typically work sony files to my liking, I'll get them good in camera, which is especially important when working with video, as video workflow is sort of long as is, reducing PP in video drastically speeds up overall work. AWB(W) is my typical setting with A1, M0.75 adjustment. If I'm indoors, then incandescent works good, even with LED lights. I use 0, M0.5 for that adjustment, and that gets me well enough (I'm sure it can be tweaked better if I bothered). I hardly ever touch the fluorescent, but when I do, thats using default, no bias.

with this stuff in mind, you should be able to deal with colors more easily. Zeiss lenses help a bit even further  :p

I'm fine working with any lens, but if you're looking for ultra pure color, it's hard to beat zeiss stuff. Contrast can even be considered a little heavy handed. I'm not that finnicky, so I'm ok with my lenses not all being zeiss.


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Apr 15, 2018 14:24 |  #289

The very first thing I do in Lightroom in every single edit is change the picture profile from adobe standard to one of the Sony ones. I just don’t feel adobe standard works very well with Sony raws. I found it fine in my canon days


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Apr 15, 2018 14:53 |  #290

I’m really thinking of the Batis 85 instead of my GM


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Apr 15, 2018 15:32 |  #291

Talley wrote in post #18607453 (external link)
I’m really thinking of the Batis 85 instead of my GM

I haven’t used the GM but own the Batis and it’s awesome. Sometimes specular highlights can look busy but it’s really scene dependant and doesn’t happen all the time


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Apr 16, 2018 14:53 |  #292

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I’m really thinking of the Batis 85 instead of my GM

I am thinking waiting for the Sigma, it'll be around $999 which is the same as the Batis.


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Apr 16, 2018 15:59 |  #293

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I am thinking waiting for the Sigma, it'll be around $999 which is the same as the Batis.

I have the sigma already too. You could never get me to sell it.


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Apr 16, 2018 16:03 |  #294

Talley wrote in post #18608071 (external link)
I have the sigma already too. You could never get me to sell it.

I am planning just to get a 35/50 and 85 on the Sony and adapt all other lenses from my Canon.

Picked up the 50 Zeiss 2 weeks ago and I think 35 Zeiss Distagon next and then I think the Sigma 85/1.4 over the Sony G Master.

Even though I don't think the Sigma 85 will fit in my bag. (that's a 85L there at the bottom in the middle and 35L on the right.

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Apr 16, 2018 18:46 as a reply to  @ Raymond Lin's post |  #295

The Sony FE 1.8/85 is very nice, and is attractive as a smallish lens. I have the FE 2/28, ZA 1.8/55 and FE 1.8/85 and I think these three with the A7 bodies are really nice.

My path through stuff has been interesting. A decade ago I used a couple slower f/4 zooms paired with a handful of ~f/1.8 primes for when I needed faster. Then I moved to other subjects and things and gained a lot of fast and heavy zooms.

Now I have a split system, but I'm envisioning going back where I started with the Sony system in another year or so, a couple slow zooms (FE 24-105 and FE 70-300) and that set of ~f/2 primes.


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Apr 17, 2018 12:06 |  #296

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The Sony FE 1.8/85 is very nice, and is attractive as a smallish lens. I have the FE 2/28, ZA 1.8/55 and FE 1.8/85 and I think these three with the A7 bodies are really nice.

My path through stuff has been interesting. A decade ago I used a couple slower f/4 zooms paired with a handful of ~f/1.8 primes for when I needed faster. Then I moved to other subjects and things and gained a lot of fast and heavy zooms.

Now I have a split system, but I'm envisioning going back where I started with the Sony system in another year or so, a couple slow zooms (FE 24-105 and FE 70-300) and that set of ~f/2 primes.

A lot of these fast primes for the Sony as MASSIVE, bigger than Canon equivalent, a small part of me thinking i might have to get say a 35/2.8 for casual day to day holiday stuff and a 1.4 for work. And a 85/1.8 for day to day and the Sigma/1.4 for work.


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Apr 17, 2018 12:22 |  #297

Raymond Lin wrote in post #18608567 (external link)
A lot of these fast primes for the Sony as MASSIVE, bigger than Canon equivalent, a small part of me thinking i might have to get say a 35/2.8 for casual day to day holiday stuff and a 1.4 for work. And a 85/1.8 for day to day and the Sigma/1.4 for work.

the FE 35 f2.8 is pretty darn amazing.

I use it for casual shooting, along with the FE 50 1.8. Sometimes I feel like 50, sometimes 35, but mostly 35 for it's extreme size allows me to fit into a very specialized bag

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Apr 17, 2018 12:40 |  #298

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the FE 35 f2.8 is pretty darn amazing.

I use it for casual shooting, along with the FE 50 1.8. Sometimes I feel like 50, sometimes 35, but mostly 35 for it's extreme size allows me to fit into a very specialized bag

I don't think mine will fit in there, not with a new grip added, needed it for the pinky and access to battery door.

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Apr 17, 2018 13:38 |  #299

Charlie wrote in post #18608587 (external link)
the FE 35 f2.8 is pretty darn amazing.

I use it for casual shooting, along with the FE 50 1.8. Sometimes I feel like 50, sometimes 35, but mostly 35 for it's extreme size allows me to fit into a very specialized bag

Something wrong with your tape measure charlie, weird set of numbers on it at odd spacings ;-)a


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Apr 17, 2018 13:41 |  #300

Raymond Lin wrote in post #18608597 (external link)
I don't think mine will fit in there, not with a new grip added, needed it for the pinky and access to battery door.

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lol, it might not. I like the case, because it's very strict, I cant load big gear into it, whatever I can fit, that's it, end of discussion ;-)a

I have a think tank holster 5 that can accommodate a slightly larger setup, up to the FE 85 attached, however it's a little fumbly in use as the bag is tougher to attach to my belt. When shooting an 85, I'de definitely need something wider to pair, so it gets less use. I'll use 50 alone in it at times, but being just a bit bigger, it can get uncomfortable if I'm driving with the belt clip.

as photographers, I find that I'm often compelled to pack 2-3 times as much as I need or should bring, so having some self restraint keeps me on the right road ;-)a

of course for photo specific outings, I may have a backpack on top of my belt system :-P


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