Sony A7III

AlanU wrote in post #18619698
You can ease up on the shadow slider and just change the exposure.

I actually like to uplift shadows. My A7iii file does not do drastic changes with the Shadow slider compared to my Fuji and Canon.

Sony image at f/9 does not have the painterly look.

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Here's a Fuji X-t2 with 56mm prime. As you can see you can have more real to life images but not razor sharp digital look.

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I have 3 camera systems so I use them all to my benefit. I know exactly how the camera renders so I get the image I want as I grab the selected camera brand.

fuji has too much ca...

Talley wrote in post #18619718
fuji has too much ca...

Photo taken at f/1.2.

You can see some purple fringing and I never adjusted the purple colour path.

Dlee13 wrote in post #18619714
This is in no way scientific and just a wild guess/theory but I've always thought of it as Sony images are a bit more flat and that allows them to have more DR conpared to Canon which are known for their colors but not DR.

who knows

Dlee13 wrote in post #18619714
This is in no way scientific and just a wild guess/theory but I've always thought of it as Sony images are a bit more flat and that allows them to have more DR conpared to Canon which are known for their colors but not DR.

Doubt it. Could be part of it but it doesn’t explain why older sony models with average or below average DR by todays standard still exhibiting signature Sony look back then and 5div has pretty hood DR and still retains skin tones and IMO improved it under more conditions compared to 5diii and 6d.

artsf wrote in post #18619729
Doubt it. Could be part of it but it doesn’t explain older sony models with average or below average DR by todays standard still exhibiting signature Sony look back then and 5div has pretty hood DR and still retains skin tones and IMO improved it under more conditions compared to 5diii and 6d.

And that would be why it is such a mystery. If it's not what I said, then my best guess would be their cameras respective processors.

Dlee13 wrote in post #18619734
And that would be why it is such a mystery. If it's not what I said, then my best guess would be their cameras respective processors.

My theory is that they are protecting their cinema line much like Canon does on the technical side. Sony Cine Alta allegedly can compete with Arri Alexa, the undisputed king of skintones whose DR by the way exceeds that of film. They have the knowledge. For cinematography, colors are even more important as even logged raw video files have less lattitude than raw stills and the resolution is nowhere near 42MP to mess with.

Talley wrote in post #18619691
Its not subjective. It's scientific.

Get a color meter and tag colors of paper... take a photo of it. Print that photo... color meter the print. It should be equal.

Accurate color = accurate color. Now obviously fake editing is subjective. But color is just light spectrum which is completely measurable and accuracy can and should be reproduced (within the current technology limits).

sure, but what's more important, accuracy or ooc? Not straight forward . Many folks want the whole thing looking nice, like jpeg shots or cell phone.

New Cinema cameras by Sony have a different color science that will be available on the a7s3. A7r 1,2,3 all have slightly different colors.

Some may argue that pleasant looking colors are more important than accuracy. Many folks with dark skin want lighter complexion. Portrait lenses augment beauty.

Much of it is also learned. Going back in my Canon files, I couldn't understand why so many photos of the past had distasteful color. Could be that my preferences changed over time.

artsf wrote in post #18619745
My theory is that they are protecting their cinema line much like Canon does on the technical side. Sony Cine Alta allegedly can compete with Arri Alexa, the undisputed king of skintones whose DR by the way exceeds that of film. They have the knowledge. For cinematography, colors are even more important as even logged raw video files have less lattitude than raw stills and the resolution is nowhere near 42MP to mess with.

That would definitely make sense. Being that I'm on the stills only side, I know nothing about the quality of the cine cameras from Sony or Canon.

One thing I'm already missing about my 6D2 is the articulating screen. Even compared to my M5 the A73 doesn't have as much movement.

Here's a test image of sorts. This is taken with the Canon 35mm f/2 IS via MC-11 adapter. I'm actually quite amazed at how accurate Eye AF is even with adapted lenses. I would say this lens performs even better on the A7III as well!

Notice how Sony renders with brutal honesty. The 35 f/2IS is a killer lens that renders with great micro contrast just like most of Canon's nano coated new lenses.

This same image with a Fuji would look totally different. It would have softer contrast with smoother light transition. Canon would also look different.

It's amazing how a camera system can change the look of the image.

Well in good natural light or controlled the Sony looks better but in artificial light the canon does better.
My take.

In studio light you really see the sharpness and detail from the Sony, I took some pics last week that I really had to tone down on sharpness and clarity, I'd post them here but they are borderline NSFW lol

Once you get a hang of Sony files, its not at all hard to get soft colors and pleasing skin-tones in post.

Not the a7III, but the a7rIII:

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AlanU wrote in post #18620620
Notice how Sony renders with brutal honesty. The 35 f/2IS is a killer lens that renders with great micro contrast just like most of Canon's nano coated new lenses.

This same image with a Fuji would look totally different. It would have softer contrast with smoother light transition. Canon would also look different.

It's amazing how a camera system can change the look of the image.

Yes it's my favorite lens on Canon and I'm still amazed at how well it performs. I thought IBIS was helping me get such sharp shots every time but turns out IBIS doesn't even work with the MC11

Call me crazy but I like the Sony colors a bit better, I feel they suit my shooting and editing style better. I find I can grade them faster and easier.

I find the Sony skin tones make people with tan skin more tan, I have yet to try with fair skin