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Feb 28, 2018 13:03 |  #1

I have shot high school sports with the 7D since 2011 and am interested in upgrading my camera body to the 7DII. I am wondering about the "lowlight" improvement over the original 7D. I have friends that own the Mark II but never shot with the original 7D. How are the noise levels at higher ISO's with the MarkII? I know full frame offers huge improvements in this area but I really don't want to make that change for various reasons.

Any input will be appreciated!


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Mar 01, 2018 00:03 |  #2

The low light "High ISO" is better.
The other is the AF "65 vs 19"

The dual pixel AF on the 7D2 is good but think may not be applicable for your high school sports shooting

The 10fps and flicker detection would be a great plus for action and indoor shooting....

lastly is the 200,000 shutter fire mechanism guarantee....  :p

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Mar 01, 2018 00:10 |  #3

Overall, there's *maybe* a 1 stop difference between the Mk I and Mk II; but, the Mk II really is an upgrade as a whole over the Mk I. It's the camera that the Mk I *should* have been when it was released, had Canon not rushed it out the door.

I don't shoot indoors, but I do shoot in some dim conditions, and I won't hesitate to go straight to 3200 and 6400 if conditions require. Above 6400 I'm not a fan, but even there it could be serviceable in the right situations.


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Mar 01, 2018 13:40 as a reply to  @ Snydremark's post |  #4

Thanks! That is about what I thought. I shoot football at night with a flash but have to milk the ISO, Shutter speed and Aperture to expose correctly but start seeing some noise about 2500 ISO. I try not to shoot above 2500 ISO. Any improvement there will be a huge help!


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Mar 01, 2018 13:46 |  #5

I can just say that I have both the 7D and the 7DII. I am primarily into bird photography.

I love the 7DII and on the odd occasions that I find myself with the 7D in my hands, I feel REALLY happy that I upgraded.

I had to really work the 7D in post (and I am not a lover of doing postprocessing) - noise, sharpening, WB.etc
With the 7DII what I shoot is what I get....it focuses accurately (intelligently?), the ergonomics are familiar but far superior.

The only down side is it is a battery power glutton.


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Mar 01, 2018 18:05 |  #6

Trique Daddi wrote in post #18574564 (external link)
How are the noise levels at higher ISO's with the MarkII? I know full frame offers huge improvements in this area but I really don't want to make that change for various reasons.

I think there is loose consensus the 7D2 needs a healthy amount of light to perform well at high ISO. If I have to shoot indoor action with the 7D2, it's with a fast prime and no more than ISO 6400 (max 10k). Images fall apart quickly if underexposed. Bring your own light if you can.

The AF system has been described as "twitchy". Seems to be an accurate way to describe it. I'm constantly playing with the cases and servo settings. There's no set it and forget it in servo imo, always something to tweak for a particular use case.

Overall I really like the 7D2. Good ergonomics, flexible back button AF setup options, GPS, anti-flicker is awesome, FPS & buffer are good, and for some reason I'm totally infatuated with multiple 'My Menu' tabs.

The 80D might be worth a look as well. Heard a lot of good things about it.

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Mar 03, 2018 10:26 |  #7

Are you dead set on staying with aps-c? I know you said you don't want to move to full frame, but I would throw the venerable 1D4 (aps-h) into the convo as food for thought. If I had to pick between a 7d2 and 1d4 for shooting indoor sports, it would be the 1d4 every time.

Granted though, some of the newer tech in the 7d2 is nice for other things.

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Mar 04, 2018 20:30 |  #8

The next option would be 1D-X.

Full frame!  :p


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Mar 07, 2018 17:35 |  #9

The 7D2 is a big improvement over the 7D. The files are cleaner and easier to post process. Low light / higher ISO is definitely better. Some say about a stop better, but I think the overall dynamic range is better. It's easier to boost the shadows with 7D2 files.

That said, I don't think it's as good as my 5D3 and 5D4.

3 more fps is nice for action shots. I often shoot high speed boats from the late afternoon into twilight. The AF works much better and I'm not afraid of using higher ISOs than I would have ever used with the 7D.

For me it was very good upgrade.


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Mar 07, 2018 17:44 |  #10

Never shot the 7Dc but my 7D2 required really good light. Outside it was fine but struggled even at ISO3200 inside.


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Mar 07, 2018 17:56 |  #11

I am puzzled by statements of 7DII needing 'really good light'. This shot in the dark underspace of my house

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-3EV ambient lgiht, the lowest level at which you can AF and meter, which I was testing

I had to stand there in 'the dark' for about 10-15 min. simply for my eyes to acclimate enough to allow me to even see where I was aimed for focus!

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Mar 07, 2018 18:03 |  #12

Mine did, and that's the truth. Got grainy very quickly.


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Mar 07, 2018 18:08 |  #13

FarmerTed1971 wrote in post #18579918 (external link)
Never shot the 7Dc but my 7D2 required really good light. Outside it was fine but struggled even at ISO3200 inside.

I'm not quite sure why you think the 7D2 needs good light. I goofed setting the ISO here, probably it was so late for me, but this looks fine at ISO 10,000 except for the star movements. If I had set it to ISO 16,000 or higher, I could have reduced the shutter speed.


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Here is ISO 16,000. No flash, just ambient light

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Mar 07, 2018 18:37 |  #14

Ah-keong wrote in post #18577742 (external link)
The next option would be 1D-X.

Full frame!  :p

Bingo! And they can be had for a good price these days, still in great shape.


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Mar 07, 2018 18:58 |  #15

Trique Daddi wrote in post #18575256 (external link)
Thanks! That is about what I thought. I shoot football at night with a flash but have to milk the ISO, Shutter speed and Aperture to expose correctly but start seeing some noise about 2500 ISO. I try not to shoot above 2500 ISO. Any improvement there will be a huge help!

You should be able to shoot the 7D above 2500 ISO. My guess is that you are not using DPP, but something like LR. Taking a 7D raw through DPP and moving around some sliders should produce a JPG that is then able to be run through noise removal and selective sharpening at ISO of at least 3200 and close to 6400 even.

7D at ISO 6400 doing some of the recipes I call out in my High ISO 7D thread: https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1079217

IMAGE: https://photos.smugmug.com/Sports/HS-Football/i-bLMWt8V/0/a39cc2ed/X3/IMG_9568-X3.jpg

The 7D2 AF is wonderful, it focuses in nearly dark conditions, tracks action very well, better high ISO and is generally just a better camera in all ways.

ISO 12800 on the 7D2

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ISO 6400 on the 7D2


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