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Mar 05, 2018 05:08 |  #1

Seems that even Elinchrom have had to sign up to IGBT at long last http://www.elinchrom.c​om/battery/elb500ttl.h​tml (external link)

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Mar 05, 2018 07:57 |  #2

It's more than IGBT. It's IGBT combined with magic flash pulse tricks that I don't understand, Profoto-style, as this excellent article tends to demonstrate :

https://www.hansvaneij​sden.com …ence-new-elinchrom-flash/ (external link)

So unlike the AD600 pro, which works differently in TTL vs manual in colour consistent mode, the ELB500 completely does away with the notion of dumping and the capacitor is fully charged in all modes.




  
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Mar 05, 2018 08:24 |  #3

MayaTlab wrote in post #18578015 (external link)
It's more than IGBT. It's IGBT combined with magic flash pulse tricks that I don't understand, Profoto-style, as this excellent article tends to demonstrate :

The magic pulse only come with IGBT which are transistors that can switch very fast, so not more than, that is what it is

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Mar 05, 2018 10:31 |  #4

I believe it will do both HS and HSS. My experience, I prefer HS. Placing a strobe far off scene with plenty of power is sometimes needed.

TTL - I care for TTL. Haven’t used it in years.

If this unit is price right, it’ll sell like hot cakes. Color consistency at a decent price matters.

I wonder why Eli is so slow to market. Seems like they need to be much more agile & innovative these days. Maybe a few younger engineers would help!! :-). Folks that don’t know it takes years to market something !! They’ll just get ‘er done fast.


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Mar 05, 2018 10:48 |  #5

It will not do HS when you use an upgraded Skyport HS unit. With nonsupported Skyport HS unit (all units that aren't Canon or Nikon or units that is not upgraded to latest software)

HS will still be the best choice for when you need raw power, HSS though seems more effective than the competition (we measured it to be at least half a stop better than the profoto B1) still eats more light the Hi-Sync.

So Elinchrom now offers all the technology (TTL, HSS, Hi-Sync, Action heads) on the market today.


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Mar 05, 2018 10:48 |  #6

It appears that the price may have been determined and announced.

http://www.photography​blog.com …ttl_portable_ba​ttery_pack (external link)

And I noticed on Social Media - Elinchrom has indicated the ELB 400 will get a price drop.

I hope everyone is happy for changes in the flash world. But, if you’re not happy, I respect your decision to be unhappy. Diversity in the flash world is healthy.




  
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Mar 05, 2018 10:59 |  #7

The price of the living light kit has already been dropped a few weeks ago, it's possible there will local campaigns as well though.

Keep in mind though, that the ELB 400 HS is more powerful than the ELB 500 TTL in HSS by around half a stop. So the ELB 400 while older still have some shelf life for sure.


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Testing the short flash duration

Shot in action mode with two heads at lowest power at flash duration 1/20000 Iso:100 F/8.


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If I have the time ill publish my first initial test with the ELB 500 on the blog.

For those who can read Swedish or can use Google translate here is a short post on it in Swedish from me.

https://aifo.se/blogg/​elinchrom-elb-500-ttl/ (external link)

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Mar 05, 2018 11:41 |  #9

Good insight Paul, I may add a 500 to my two ELB400's when the price settles! My feelings are as you have wrote, TTL, HSS on the 500 + the 400's is a formidable solution for my strobe needs for many years to come. That and I am a big fan of Elinchrom.




  
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Mar 05, 2018 14:37 |  #10

My money’s on the ELB 1200s. Power is the reasoning for me. Outdoor-wise. In studio it’ll drop in power to do the job too. So it meets all my needs.

I am certain the 500 is plenty for most of my needs but not all. So I’m happy. May just get one or two later if the price is right. Haven’t looked yet.

Litemotives are on my immediate needs list for now.


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Mar 05, 2018 15:17 |  #11

A couple of ELB500 kits and many bits and pieces are listed at Adorama.

For example:

https://www.adorama.co​m/el103101.html (external link)

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https://www.adorama.co​m/el103101.html (external link)




  
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Mar 05, 2018 17:03 |  #12

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If I have the time ill publish my first initial test with the ELB 500 on the blog.

For those who can read Swedish or can use Google translate here is a short post on it in Swedish from me.

https://aifo.se/blogg/​elinchrom-elb-500-ttl/ (external link)

Excellent write up. Worth the read.


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Mar 05, 2018 22:14 as a reply to  @ Angmo's post |  #13

I did notice the new unit has a new head that does HSS, and HS..

I do wish it wasn't the Quatra {Q} size head...I was hoping for a Ranger/ELB1200 head that doesn't require a adapter..




  
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Mar 06, 2018 00:28 |  #14

sincity wrote in post #18578550 (external link)
I did notice the new unit has a new head that does HSS, and HS..

I do wish it wasn't the Quatra {Q} size head...I was hoping for a Ranger/ELB1200 head that doesn't require a adapter..

Just to clarify, with a TTL/HSS able Skyport HS transmitter you will not be able to shoot in HS.


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Mar 06, 2018 02:10 |  #15

"New head does HSS and HS???"

"Just to clarify, with a TTL/HSS able Skyport HS transmitter you will not be able to shoot in HS"

You now have me confused, HSS as-in IGBT High speed sync is just that HSS. HS (Hyper sync as Elinchrom call it) or Tail end sync is for a traditional studio strobe, i.e NOT IGBT, also known by some as overdrive? i.e a studio flash tube with a long flash duration and timing of the shutter to take the shot within the peak of that duration. The Skyport Pro firmware update now drives the new 500 in HSS and older 400's etc in HS, the HS button (IIRC) when updated now becomes the TTL button, this (from what I see on mine) lets you set the output of each group in TTL, TTL will NOT work with non IGBT flashes. HSS or HS is now automatically set when your Camera body's shutter goes over its sync speed. Is my understanding of the new firmware etc for Skyport Pro incorrect, are you saying that an HSS enabled Skyport Pro(LCD) Elinchrom transmitter does not support HS? I have upgraded mine and HS is automatically set on my ELB-400's when the Camera goes over it's sync speed...

Sorry for the long post just want to check my knowledge base with the experts...

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