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Mar 06, 2018 03:19 |  #16

arthurbikemad wrote in post #18578656 (external link)
"New head does HSS and HS???"

"Just to clarify, with a TTL/HSS able Skyport HS transmitter you will not be able to shoot in HS"

You now have me confused, HSS as-in IGBT High speed sync is just that HSS. HS (Hyper sync as Elinchrom call it) or Tail end sync is for a traditional studio strobe, i.e NOT IGBT, also known by some as overdrive? i.e a studio flash tube with a long flash duration and timing of the shutter to take the shot within the peak of that duration. The Skyport Pro firmware update now drives the new 500 in HSS and older 400's etc in HS, the HS button (IIRC) when updated now becomes the TTL button, this (from what I see on mine) lets you set the output of each group in TTL, TTL will NOT work with non IGBT flashes. HSS or HS is now automatically set when your Camera body's shutter goes over its sync speed. Is my understanding of the new firmware etc for Skyport Pro incorrect, are you saying that an HSS enabled Skyport Pro(LCD) Elinchrom transmitter does not support HS? I have upgraded mine and HS is automatically set on my ELB-400's when the Camera goes over it's sync speed...

Sorry for the long post just want to check my knowledge base with the experts...

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An upgraded Skyport HS transmitter will be able to use HSS/TTL on ELB 500 and HS/Manual on the rest of the ELB line up.

So your not confused :-)

The support for HS is depending on both transmitter and pack.

In the future, you will NOT be able to do HS with the ELB 500 TTL regardless of the transmitter version you use.

Why ?

Simply because Hi-Sync on the ELB 500 TTL is very limited, the flash duration is only slow enough on max power thus hi-sync is not available thru the whole power range.

Hopes this clear some stuff up.


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Mar 06, 2018 03:46 |  #17

Thanks. So you can drive the 500 in HS mode i.e take advantage of the flash duration and also drive it in HSS (pulsed).. Think this is where I miss understood.




  
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Mar 06, 2018 03:59 |  #18

arthurbikemad wrote in post #18578674 (external link)
Thanks. So you can drive the 500 in HS mode i.e take advantage of the flash duration and also drive it in HSS (pulsed).. Think this is where I miss understood.

Yes and no..

For now, you can use it in HS mode with "old" (not updated) Skyport HS transmitter.

Successfully only at full power though.

But you can't use it in HSS with the same transmitter, as to use HSS/TTL you need to update the transmitter and then you won't be able to use HS.

In the future, HS will not be supported at all on the ELB 500 TTL regardless of which transmitter you use.


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Mar 06, 2018 08:30 |  #19

fotopaul wrote in post #18578679 (external link)
Yes and no..

For now, you can use it in HS mode with "old" (not updated) Skyport HS transmitter.

Successfully only at full power though.

But you can't use it in HSS with the same transmitter, as to use HSS/TTL you need to update the transmitter and then you won't be able to use HS.

In the future, HS will not be supported at all on the ELB 500 TTL regardless of which transmitter you use.

Okee... what added to my confusion at least is the 500 Head specifically states HS and HSS capable. But the pack now says HSS. Damn. I prefer HS... if it supports at HS at full power I’m
Ok with that. But it won’t In The future..? Ok.

(*) I’d like multiple lights in HS please. Really can’t mix HS and HSS strobes together??? Or is that possible.

* Everyone reading can ignore this. It may confuse you. Paul will know what I mean.


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Mar 06, 2018 08:44 |  #20

Angmo wrote in post #18578796 (external link)
Okee... what added to my confusion at least is the 500 Head specifically states HS and HSS capable. But the pack now says HSS. Damn. I prefer HS... if it supports at HS at full power I’m
Ok with that. But it won’t In The future..? Ok.

(*) I’d like multiple lights in HS please. Really can’t mix HS and HSS strobes together??? Or is that possible.

* Everyone reading can ignore this. It may confuse you. Paul will know what I mean.

I agree that is confusing, but in reality, it just means the head has long enough flash duration to do HS at max power. I'm sure they will address that spec sheet soon enough.

Well you can... we set the ELB 1200 to trigger on the optical sensor (using TTL you need to set to ignore pre-flash) set the ELB 500 TTL in HSS mode by using 1/8000 and the ELB 1200 synced and contributed to the exposure.

When I have the time I will test this more thoroughly, as we only confirmed it synced and contributed to the exposure.


One should have in mind that with the ELB 500 dual TTL capability there are a plethora of different setups and combinations (skyport/Odin II) so there will most certainly be a few updates along the way to cater to this.

Some features (connected to Skyport) will have to wait as Elinchrom does not roll out a new feature without ensuring backward compatibility, as end users we want skyport to work with both new and older packs/strobes.

I for one are impressed that they could introduce TTL/HSS to skyport by just a firmware update, no need to buy a new transmitter. :-)


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Mar 06, 2018 09:25 |  #21

fotopaul wrote in post #18578805 (external link)
I agree that is confusing, but in reality, it just means the head has long enough flash duration to do HS at max power. I'm sure they will address that spec sheet soon enough.

Well you can... we set the ELB 1200 to trigger on the optical sensor (using TTL you need to set to ignore pre-flash) set the ELB 500 TTL in HSS mode by using 1/8000 and the ELB 1200 synced and contributed to the exposure.

When I have the time I will test this more thoroughly, as we only confirmed it synced and contributed to the exposure.

One should have in mind that with the ELB 500 dual TTL capability there are a plethora of different setups and combinations (skyport/Odin II) so there will most certainly be a few updates along the way to cater to this.

Some features (connected to Skyport) will have to wait as Elinchrom does not roll out a new feature without ensuring backward compatibility, as end users we want skyport to work with both new and older packs/strobes.

I for one are impressed that they could introduce TTL/HSS to skyport by just a firmware update, no need to buy a new transmitter. :-)

Well that’s great news. I’ll wait a bit to confirm. Then get a few 1200 and 500s if they play well HS-wise. I don’t mind (hoping) getting an HS head or whatever the 500 supports for me HS use. One can hope. I know all that depends on camera and such too. TTL will be more compatible than more cameras.

I’m happy getting a few new older Ranger RX AS Speed with S Heads too. I’ve gone 1/8000 with them no sweat. Don’t mind getting the new units.


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Mar 06, 2018 10:10 |  #22

HS relies on the head having a pulse longer than the time it takes for the shutter to complete it’s action.

The ELB500 flash duration gets shorter as power goes down because it is IGBT

HS will only be available at full power

I can do HS on my AD600 but again only at full power


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