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Apr 02, 2018 16:00 |  #136
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The size thing is relative. If you're using super telephoto lenses, then yeah the size advantages are gone. But slap a small prime on, and you have a nice compact setup you can easily bring out.

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This is exactly right. I use the same camera for landscape photography with heavy Zeiss glass and Canon zooms...and then slap a small prime like the Sony 35 2.8 and have a great travel outfit.

I see so many people purchase another system for travel...with Sony you don’t need this 2nd system.




  
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Apr 11, 2018 18:23 |  #137

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Not looking for fan boy posts. But people who have used both cameras and have come to the conclusion that one might be better than the other for their needs.

Sony and Canon Owners- a 5D4 v/s a Sony A7111 from your experience with a Sony camera like the A9 or A7R111

I think I can chime-in within reason even though I just have Canon. 5D Mk iii and 5DS. And related to "their needs" as you said. What the needs are is important. My shooting is mostly forest. Although I don't have a Sony, I've seen scores of Sony forest photos. And I haven't seen any of them that really improve upon the color and look I'm getting from my Canon camera and lenses from Canon, Tamron and Zeiss. But I see some photos that look as good.

I did purchase a Canon M5 mirrorless. I like the image quality, but it's awkwardly small to use. For professional needs like forest or even portraits. I would hope to never be stuck with body smaller than a 5D mk iii or comparable size of whatever brand. So if any Sony mirrorless have bodies the same size as a Canon 5D mk iv ... I would consider it if starting from scratch, although I see very little overall improvement among function and menu.

If someone wants smaller, it should be evident why they would choose a newer Sony. And at least for forest images I've looked at, the end result from Sony can be very good.

But I'm glad I bought the Canon M5 because it gave me the smaller camera and mirrorless experience without having to change brands. And what I found leaves me thankful I never bought a Sony. But it's more related to function. Whereas some reviews give Sony models more points for size, I found a smaller body could equally deserve less points for compact size. It all depends on who will use it.

Oh ... on a closing note, I found that I do not like the EVF experience and hope Canon never transitions entirely down the road.


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Apr 11, 2018 18:33 |  #138

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The colors between Canon and Sony are different, but if you shoot raw, you can achieve the same output. i.e. I shoot Sony, my second shooters tend to shoot something else. And I can get the colors looking roughly identical in post. I process files from all sorts of cameras. I don't find Sony any better or worse than others. Different in terms of starting point yes, but not in a bad way, and nothing that can't be normalized. Canon has it's own tendencies in terms of colors that need to be dealt with (aggressive red channel)

I photograph forests, outdoor portraits and some studio with a 5D mk iii and 5DS. Especially with the 5DS, the forest and studio portraits (without any gels) are so close to true color I barely have to adjust that part.

Have you photographed with Sony in studio, and is the color of clothes and skin near spot-on? I'll skip asking the same about forest, because different woods and different foliage can change the matter a lot.

As for portraits in various other outdoor locations, I do need to the color I get in post.


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Apr 11, 2018 18:36 |  #139

mdvaden wrote in post #18604893 (external link)
I think I can chime-in within reason even though I just have Canon. 5D Mk iii and 5DS. And related to "their needs" as you said. What the needs are is important. My shooting is mostly forest. Although I don't have a Sony, I've seen scores of Sony forest photos. And I haven't seen any of them that really improve upon the color and look I'm getting from my Canon camera and lenses from Canon, Tamron and Zeiss. But I see some photos that look as good.

I did purchase a Canon M5 mirrorless. I like the image quality, but it's awkwardly small to use. For professional needs like forest or even portraits. I would hope to never be stuck with body smaller than a 5D mk iii or comparable size of whatever brand. So if any Sony mirrorless have bodies the same size as a Canon 5D mk iv ... I would consider it if starting from scratch, although I see very little overall improvement among function and menu.

If someone wants smaller, it should be evident why they would choose a newer Sony. And at least for forest images I've looked at, the end result from Sony can be very good.

But I'm glad I bought the Canon M5 because it gave me the smaller camera and mirrorless experience without having to change brands. And what I found leaves me thankful I never bought a Sony. But it's more related to function. Whereas some reviews give Sony models more points for size, I found a smaller body could equally deserve less points for compact size. It all depends on who will use it.

Oh ... on a closing note, I found that I do not like the EVF experience and hope Canon never transitions entirely down the road.

it's been shown in this very thread, that making a sony the size of a 1Dx is doable, add a grip.

Making a 1D/5D small like an A7x is not possible.

oh my sony is so big with this friggin 600mm lens on there, I cant handle it :-P

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except, it's not so big when you use "normal" lenses on it.

can you fit a 5D in this bag?

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Apr 11, 2018 19:11 |  #140

Im not sure about the colors because i dont have a sony to compare with but not buying a sony because it is too small makes no sense seeing as you can add a grip which then also adds extended battery life. Its like having a camera thats the same size as a dslr but with even longer battery life. That should be seen as a positive if you already like the feel of larger cameras.


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Apr 11, 2018 19:36 |  #141

Yeah the benefit in terms of size is having a single, modular camera that can be used as a casual light-weight rig, and a full fledged professional caliber rig simply by changing lenses and adding things like grips....all without sacrificing IQ or AF performance.


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Apr 11, 2018 20:08 |  #142

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Apr 11, 2018 20:26 |  #143

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All your base are belong to us

I’m not sure what you are trying to say here Talley but now I’m seriously concerned that switching to Sony greatly increases the risk of having a stroke.


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Apr 11, 2018 20:44 as a reply to  @ Trvlr323's post |  #144

Google helps here...

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Apr 11, 2018 20:52 |  #145

Thanks. Now all I have to figure out is why I've never heard this before? By the article it seems fairly widespread in pop culture. Is this a common reference?


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Apr 11, 2018 21:13 |  #146

So I am not fully competent in Japanese but I lived there for several years so I'm not bad. I looked up the saying in Japanese. It is is mix of Kanji and hiragana. No katakana. 君達の基地は、全て我々がいただいた。Phon​etically in English it is 'Kimitachi no kichi wa, subete wareware ga itadaita'. It is a tough translation to English for sure because there are 2 subjects and they are switched so to speak. A more fitting translation would be something like 'all your bases have been taken over'.


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Apr 11, 2018 21:25 |  #147

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Thanks. Now all I have to figure out is why I've never heard this before? By the article it seems fairly widespread in pop culture. Is this a common reference?

It is in the geeky circles for us gamers and other tech areas. :)

It's right there with up/up, down/down, left/right, left/right....


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Apr 11, 2018 21:40 |  #148

The import car forums was where i first heard it in the late 90s early 2000.. don't know about now


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Apr 11, 2018 21:56 |  #149

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18604986 (external link)
It is in the geeky circles for us gamers and other tech areas. :)

It's right there with up/up, down/down, left/right, left/right....

;)

One of the first "viral" geeky things before "viral" was "viral".


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Apr 12, 2018 09:51 |  #150

My studio partner walked into the studio yesterday with a new 5D4

We started setting it up

Touch screen is so bitchen. I really like it

Once I had it in my hands, I got into the menu's to show him how to set things and to make some settings for him. He is just opening his business

the point is Im sure this is the same way for Sony guys who have used their bodies for a period of time. you know the line up inside and out

My demands from camera bodies are ISO performance dark/shadow retention first and foremost and second is AF performance on a moving object, and ability of AF to track and lock on moving objects in extremely dark conditions

Size is not a factor for me

Really impressed with the 1Dx2 and now the 5D4 sensor performance. Its outstanding

But extremely intrigued with the Sony

I will make the decision when I get back from vacation.

Im very interested in this Sony for ISO performance. I have read some very negative comments about tracking in dark rooms like wedding receptions especially with Non Native Glass.

Any wedding guys have experience with Sonys in dark environments that can comment about abilities to lock and track is dark situations

I know from use that the 5D4 has no problems here


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