Canon and Sony body owners

I definitely made the right choice for me. AF works great in the dark

16000 iso on the 5D4- Straight off camera captures

umphotography wrote in post #18632439
I definitely made the right choice for me. AF works great in the dark

16000 iso on the 5D4- Straight off camera captures

Hosted photo: posted by umphotography in
./showthread.php?p=186​32439&i=i89730841
forum: Camera Vs. Camera

Hosted photo: posted by umphotography in
./showthread.php?p=186​32439&i=i227124267
forum: Camera Vs. Camera

Just to reinforce you decision.....

You composed the shot and press the shutter button..........BAM you landed the shot with perfect execution with NO lag or hesitation!!!

I have different camera systems for different reasons. My absolute confident events work camera is my Canon.

Anyone using a Sony with adapted Canon glass would 100% missed that shot. Any professional using adapted canon glass on a sony for hired events is gambling with missing pivotal moments. This is where people should make a decision based purely on the "best" camera system for their intended purpose.

Indeed I love my Canon system. If I was heavily invested in Nikon I'd say the same and say I love a system that delivers AF with ZERO hesitation. On top of that using focus assist even reinforces the reason why I think Mirrored is still unbeatable for low light shots umphotography just posted. I'd rather cull not so perfect tack sharp images rather than having less in focus shots and pray you landed the perfect bouquet flower toss.

I understand it's easy to display the "best landed shot" on a forum or social media. My logic is I'd rather have more images taken that you can hand pick with confidence. You can delete the ones you find are not perfect. Seems when I brainstorm with fellow photogs during coffee they'll cull the blurry and not so perfect images but they want more quantity in focus (sound obvious doesn't it??? ). I'm 100% certain any camera can land a shot or two. My point is having consecutive perfectly "sharp" image so you can cull. I know for certain my sony A7iii in low light with adapted Canon glass is EXTREMELY unreliable in that low lighting especially if you must land the shot of a moving flower toss. However you will still see some pro's shooting with adapted glass.....!!!! wow!!!!

I still think it's fun to have both Canon and Sony for different reasons. Heck I will say I find my Fuji X-t2 produces incredibly sweet images with the 56mm f/1.2 and does an incredible job with the 16mm f/1.4 (24mm equiv).

Tools are very personal.....

umphotography wrote in post #18632439
I definitely made the right choice for me. AF works great in the dark

16000 iso on the 5D4- Straight off camera captures

Hosted photo: posted by umphotography in
./showthread.php?p=186​32439&i=i89730841
forum: Camera Vs. Camera

Hosted photo: posted by umphotography in
./showthread.php?p=186​32439&i=i227124267
forum: Camera Vs. Camera

I like how the garter belt is passing through the beam of light. Totally cool!

Perfectly Frank wrote in post #18632467
I like how the garter belt is passing through the beam of light. Totally cool!

my wife snapped that shot

AlanU- I shot 1140 on my 1Dx2 and kept 1031. Actually tossed out a few keepers. The 1Dx2 rarely misses a shot. The AF is that good

I shot 2 sessions with the 5D4 prior to the wedding

I played with servo on a couple walking towards me. I missed 3 out of about 15 shots. Focus went behind them or it was blury and just missed. Never happens with that 1Dx2 in servo mode.

I need to do more testing but so far I would say ISO and image quality are very close. The 1Dx2 files are much easier to work with in post and recover highlights much better. 5D4 files are slower at full size. Mraw is doable and its still a 17mb file.

But as i suspected from my outings with previous 5D4 owners, the AF systems are what separates these cameras. If im shooy=ting wildlife thats important to capture.....its going to be on the 1Dx2....no doubt

Wife missed a couple of shots for the processional on the 5D4. I had zero misses on the 1Dx2. Its never missed a processional shot yet in servo. So impressed with the 1Dx2

I shoot both sony and canon. Not selling my canon gear. The one thing that I love about sony is the ability to track the face. 99% of my images out of my sony A7riii are keepers. I'm using a MC11adapter that I updated last week with a New update. Sigma art canon mount lenses working same as my sony native lens. I don't shoot sports. I might shoot wildlife but nothing moving fast. I love my sony a7riii. I do have to thank 2 members here for helping me decide on which to pick! They know who they are. I do recommend anyone the a7riii crisp images out of the camera. Side note this may sound off, i attach a expo disc and do perform a custom white balance on that sony body. people told me is not necessary but I just do it anyways.

umphotography wrote in post #18619542
SO

I made my decision.

Im going to get the 5D4 to compliment the 1Dx2

Reasons

1-Just too familiar with the Canon line up and its 2nd nature to me. I Know canon in/out and I Like the way it works. I dont have to 2nd guess or try to figure out how to get it to work. I know it too well

2- Sony really requires use of native glass to get full benefits of systems. Tried it and I can definitely tell the difference with a couple lens. Especially the 24-70. It was slower on the Sony than the 5D4 and 1Dx2....not a lot- but enough for me to tell the difference- Would it make a difference at a shoot ? probably Not. But I was not willing to take the chance.

3- I just dont see substantial ISO differences BT the 2 bodies. I looked at 12800 in camera on both bodies. Its just wasnt there. Sorry to burst any bubbles....12800 ISO and I think we are splitting hairs. Maybe at 25000 the sony would have the advantage but I think I have shot 3-4 images at 25000 ISO in 2 yrs. Im setting up my cameras so I dont exceed 12800 and again at 12800.....I dont see it as enough to make a difference. Both Sony and canon are outstanding. This is a foolish argument anymore. All the sensors are great.

4- I hate the feel & smallness of the Sony. I just like a bigger camera in my hands. I need a grip and that would probably nullify and battery life concern.

5- I hate the menu lay outs and the body itself feels cheap compared to the canon. I have read it scratches easily.

6- I LOVE to Facial recognition and tracking abilities of the Sony AF. Its excellent. However, I could not test it in a low light environment like a dark wedding reception and I have read issues with Non Native Glass about ability of AF to lock and keep up from wedding photographers. For this reason alone, Sony is a Non starter for my consideration. I just cant afford to switch out to Native glass with 20K plus invested in Canon Glass.....this was the deal breaker for me

7- I think if your willing to jump ALL IN the Sony is a dam fine camera. I would think its also more suited for techie type photographers who like to mess with things and set things up more custom with the camera and for guys using captures 0ne possibly some advantages there as well. Canon shooters are easy. Shoot, imports into LR and your set. I Dont use capture one

8- Was not impressed at all with colors and skin tones Probably because I have been on Canons systems for 40 yrs however they are very acceptable

9- Last but not least. I stand by my statements last year. All of the cameras are great. You cant buy a bad camera anymore. However, the MFG's are going to lock you into a line up with how well the glass you use is going to behave with the cameras that you are using.......This is very evident with Sony. The Adapters are great, but the performance is just not there with them in my opinion for other MFG glass. My 24-70 and 300F/2.0, 70-200F4 and 50L are instant locks when focus is acquired on a canon body....Not so much on the adapters....

I really wanted to fall in love with the Sony line up and use of an adapter but I just did not. At least Not Enough for me to make a change.

I understand much of what you wrote.

My new M5 proved to me right away that a bigger body works better for me. I like the size of my 5DS much better. As for photo quality, for what I shoot, I see lots of images from newest Sony models and dont find anything I feel is better than what I can already accomplish with my Canon. And I know the Canon system, like you mentioned.

What my M5 proved to me, is that touch screen and the sensor in the EVF can be a pain in the ass as much as useful. I lost count of how many times my finger, nose or something moved settings or caused the screen on back to go black when I didn't want it.

So with all the brands available, and many of them good, I realized I'd be a fool to change from the Canon platform I have, with a few add-on 3rd party lenses.

umphotography wrote in post #18623122
FYI to canon shooters

I ordered a new 5D4 yesterday from B&H-comes with a lot of free goodies- Grip, battery, 64 gb card and a lowepro backpack....$3099.00

Canon has a new warranty

Drop break and free repairs for 2 or 3 yrs that you can add to the camera. When you buy a 5D4 right now it automatically comes with a free 13 month drop break extended warranty for 13 months

However if you get the 3 yrs extended warranty the 13 month is added to the contract. Thats 4 yrs of worry free warranty on the camera through CPS. Great deal

Im calling CPS today to see how the warranties work together. I need CPS for my other gear but not sure how they work together

Great time to get your 5D4's if your on the fence

Do you know if you can purchase the 3 year extension later?

Update 08-28-18

seeing many complaints on local FB boards from experienced wedding photographers about the Sony A711

Glad I went 5D4

---------------

Be Advised- They dont seem to work too well with Flash systems

Seen this complaint many times on the Godox boards

Owner

"""I am wedding photographer and i use Sony A7 III and Godox Xpro S trigger with Godox V350S, Godox V860II, AD 200, AD 600. I have problems with them 15-20% miss fire I tested today all and Xpro S and Godox V350S use as trigger miss fire 20%. Godox V350S only using with body same miss fire and heating quick If i put Godox V860 II as trigger is ok at 1/250, i have 0 missfire. But in HSS i have 90% miss fire If i set EFCS (E-Front Curtain Shut.) from my Sony A7 III to off is ok, 0 missfire but is very loud. If i take a picture, sound is very loud like i shoot 3-4 picture. ( And AF lamp for Godox not working. I write mail to Godox but 0 response. Any solutions?"""""

response from an expert in the industry who uses Sony. Truly a gifted guy who knows what he is doing

"""* Turn of EFCS when using flash. It’s that or get inconsistent firing AND banding.
* Turn off red eye reduction.
* Use alkaline batteries in your XPro.
* If you are using HSS you may be hitting the thermal protection limit. Lower power and raise ISO, slow down, or turn off and turn on the OCF to reset the protection counter.
* Try a different channel as you may be getting interference.
* Check firmware and update if necessary.

I shoot with the a7rIII and a7rII with every Godox flash and have zero issues with misfires.""""

or this one

"""The Sony uses a phase detection focusing system so it operates differently than most other cameras, especially Canon/Nikon dslrs. I also believe the focus assist will not work with EFCS."""""

or this one

""In my opinion Is the xpro transmitter. Try with X1. I have a lot of issues with sony version , but same happen with Canon version of XPro, replaced by X 1, no problem"""

I decided to stay Canon and got the 5D4 over the Sony. For these reasons and many many others.

Try before you buy and be advised----Its another totally different camera system to learn and conquer

---------------

It seems their beef is more with Godox than Sony.

That said, I've shot a lot of wedding and event work on the a7rii, a9 and a7riii...not the a7iii, but I've had zero issues with misfires....and I own a lot of godox flashes...t350, 860iii, ad360, ad200 and ad600.

It gets the job done and then some. I,ve acutally found the godox to be more reliable than my old canon flashes.

IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/27Eq​FW6

IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/ZaFc​Jd

IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/26yx​n7A

IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/D7Ek​Q4

IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/YLzv​BU

IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/21kT​Hck

umphotography wrote in post #18672368
"""The Sony uses a phase detection focusing system so it operates differently than most other cameras, especially Canon/Nikon dslrs. I also believe the focus assist will not work with EFCS."""""

The internet was made for these kind of of experts.

The Sony sensor inside the newer iPhones, especially the X, has produced some incredible low light wedding photos and videos. Better than most any Ive seen on this forum. Here is a video from a photographer who shot an entire wedding with his iPhone, looks awesome to me. The low light footage around the 2:50 mark is quite impressive considering its being shot on a PHONE I have used and owned both Canon and Sony cameras, I prefer Canon for the glamour work I do. Skin tones are unmatched, much more intuitive menu system, superior lens lineup, better ergonomics, better battery life etc...

https://www.youtube.co​m …ontinue=176&v=f​qazukIT3_s

Umphotography,

I will say that virtually every Sony person I speak to mentions that Sony AF-C is the way to go for accuracy.

I've used the "Focus / recompose" method for events for a decade with my Canon gear. I land every shot unless I mess up with my 85Lmk2 due to pig slow AF or f/1.2 shallow dof while the subject moves. When I shoot with my 5dmk3/4 I never miss a beat shooting focus/recompose. I can recompose in milliseconds while I use a joystic it's a second or so. That alone I miss split seconds opportunities sometimes.

With my Sony A73 I get great success using AF-C using my E mount Sigma 24 f/1.4 ART and Canon adapted glass. I will say without a doubt Sony AF-S is not very good at all. The slightest movement can produce blurry soft images while I never get this type of photo with my Canons.

If I used center shot all of the time I think Sony would be killer accurate. I just find using the joystick the time is quite slow comparing "focus / recompose" techniques I've mastered over the years. The more I practice with my A73 I notice the ideal AF is using AF-C and using AF-S is rolling the dice.

Shooting with the 5dmk4 I think you'll never complain about the speed of the AF even in dreadful low light situations. I still hear complaints from some shooters I know that use an A7Riii with native Gmaster glass in low light. Something that just never comes up in a Canon lovers conversation LOL!!! I know I never complain about missed shots due to AF issues with my 5d4. Mind you I love my Sigma dedicated E mount 24 f/1.4 ART as far as IQ is concerned but AF is quite pathetic against my 5dmk4 with blazing fast 24Lmk2!!! My Sony A7iii with MC11 adapter/24Lmk2 focuses FASTER than my dedicated E mount Sony 24mm ART. Only issue is the MC11 adapter does not shoot AF video for my family documentation.

I love using my Sony A7iii but I just cannot fully comment until I get my Gmaster glass or other Sony native E mount glass. The Sigma 24mm ART has superb IQ but it's good enough for my casual photography in the AF department.

I love my tools as I can navigate with the 3 brands with no issues. 5dmk4 still is the fastest and most responsive for the gear I own. Sony is still work in progress as far as throwing $$$$ at it to get the best performance. I'd gladly dump $3000+ for a Canon FF mirrorless for another fun camera. Issue is Sony just is an amazing system for video with near silent AF using native sony glass.

I'll say my "flashship" Godox V860 lithium external speedlite works great on my Sony A7iii......when it fires "most of the time". I did get a moment where I'd get misfires with the cheap flash. Canon isn't the best but even my 600EX-RT mk1 is quite reliable but not perfect.

The more I shoot with my Sony I am really appreciating what it offers. It's an incredibly responsive system but native glass is truly the only solution. Using Canon is like eating comfort food to ease the soul during extremely stressful photography events. The camera just doesn't miss a beat and the only error I find is "human operation". Until I have all native glass / Gmaster glass with my Sony setup I will never use it for serious application.

I cannot navigate a joy stick faster than "focus/recompose" method. I do not shoot center focus much. I must get faster and faster using a joystick if I continue to consider Sony as a setup for my style of photography. Using Sony eye focus is cool when you have one human subject in the frame looking at you but asking a sony body to choose your human subjects (plural) you'll get AF on the wrong subject.

I'm just stating my experience. Everyone else can comment on their personal skills and justification of using a system for Pro work. We all have a choice

AlanU wrote in post #18673396
Umphotography,

I will say that virtually every Sony person I speak to mentions that Sony AF-C is the way to go for accuracy.

I've used the "Focus / recompose" method for events for a decade with my Canon gear. I land every shot unless I mess up with my 85Lmk2 due to pig slow AF or f/1.2 shallow dof while the subject moves. When I shoot with my 5dmk3/4 I never miss a beat shooting focus/recompose. I can recompose in milliseconds while I use a joystic it's a second or so. That alone I miss split seconds opportunities sometimes.

With my Sony A73 I get great success using AF-C using my E mount Sigma 24 f/1.4 ART and Canon adapted glass. I will say without a doubt Sony AF-S is not very good at all. The slightest movement can produce blurry soft images while I never get this type of photo with my Canons.

If I used center shot all of the time I think Sony would be killer accurate. I just find using the joystick the time is quite slow comparing "focus / recompose" techniques I've mastered over the years. The more I practice with my A73 I notice the ideal AF is using AF-C and using AF-S is rolling the dice.

Shooting with the 5dmk4 I think you'll never complain about the speed of the AF even in dreadful low light situations. I still hear complaints from some shooters I know that use an A7Riii with native Gmaster glass in low light. Something that just never comes up in a Canon lovers conversation LOL!!! I know I never complain about missed shots due to AF issues with my 5d4. Mind you I love my Sigma dedicated E mount 24 f/1.4 ART as far as IQ is concerned but AF is quite pathetic against my 5dmk4 with blazing fast 24Lmk2!!! My Sony A7iii with MC11 adapter/24Lmk2 focuses FASTER than my dedicated E mount Sony 24mm ART. Only issue is the MC11 adapter does not shoot AF video for my family documentation.

I love using my Sony A7iii but I just cannot fully comment until I get my Gmaster glass or other Sony native E mount glass. The Sigma 24mm ART has superb IQ but it's good enough for my casual photography in the AF department.

I love my tools as I can navigate with the 3 brands with no issues. 5dmk4 still is the fastest and most responsive for the gear I own. Sony is still work in progress as far as throwing $$$$ at it to get the best performance. I'd gladly dump $3000+ for a Canon FF mirrorless for another fun camera. Issue is Sony just is an amazing system for video with near silent AF using native sony glass.

I'll say my "flashship" Godox V860 lithium external speedlite works great on my Sony A7iii......when it fires "most of the time". I did get a moment where I'd get misfires with the cheap flash. Canon isn't the best but even my 600EX-RT mk1 is quite reliable but not perfect.

The more I shoot with my Sony I am really appreciating what it offers. It's an incredibly responsive system but native glass is truly the only solution. Using Canon is like eating comfort food to ease the soul during extremely stressful photography events. The camera just doesn't miss a beat and the only error I find is "human operation". Until I have all native glass / Gmaster glass with my Sony setup I will never use it for serious application.

I cannot navigate a joy stick faster than "focus/recompose" method. I do not shoot center focus much. I must get faster and faster using a joystick if I continue to consider Sony as a setup for my style of photography. Using Sony eye focus is cool when you have one human subject in the frame looking at you but asking a sony body to choose your human subjects (plural) you'll get AF on the wrong subject.

I'm just stating my experience. Everyone else can comment on their personal skills and justification of using a system for Pro work. We all have a choice

AlanU wrote in post #18673396
Umphotography,

I will say that virtually every Sony person I speak to mentions that Sony AF-C is the way to go for accuracy.

I've used the "Focus / recompose" method for events for a decade with my Canon gear. I land every shot unless I mess up with my 85Lmk2 due to pig slow AF or f/1.2 shallow dof while the subject moves. When I shoot with my 5dmk3/4 I never miss a beat shooting focus/recompose. I can recompose in milliseconds while I use a joystic it's a second or so. That alone I miss split seconds opportunities sometimes.

With my Sony A73 I get great success using AF-C using my E mount Sigma 24 f/1.4 ART and Canon adapted glass. I will say without a doubt Sony AF-S is not very good at all. The slightest movement can produce blurry soft images while I never get this type of photo with my Canons.

If I used center shot all of the time I think Sony would be killer accurate. I just find using the joystick the time is quite slow comparing "focus / recompose" techniques I've mastered over the years. The more I practice with my A73 I notice the ideal AF is using AF-C and using AF-S is rolling the dice.

Shooting with the 5dmk4 I think you'll never complain about the speed of the AF even in dreadful low light situations. I still hear complaints from some shooters I know that use an A7Riii with native Gmaster glass in low light. Something that just never comes up in a Canon lovers conversation LOL!!! I know I never complain about missed shots due to AF issues with my 5d4. Mind you I love my Sigma dedicated E mount 24 f/1.4 ART as far as IQ is concerned but AF is quite pathetic against my 5dmk4 with blazing fast 24Lmk2!!! My Sony A7iii with MC11 adapter/24Lmk2 focuses FASTER than my dedicated E mount Sony 24mm ART. Only issue is the MC11 adapter does not shoot AF video for my family documentation.

I love using my Sony A7iii but I just cannot fully comment until I get my Gmaster glass or other Sony native E mount glass. The Sigma 24mm ART has superb IQ but it's good enough for my casual photography in the AF department.

I love my tools as I can navigate with the 3 brands with no issues. 5dmk4 still is the fastest and most responsive for the gear I own. Sony is still work in progress as far as throwing $$$$ at it to get the best performance. I'd gladly dump $3000+ for a Canon FF mirrorless for another fun camera. Issue is Sony just is an amazing system for video with near silent AF using native sony glass.

I'll say my "flashship" Godox V860 lithium external speedlite works great on my Sony A7iii......when it fires "most of the time". I did get a moment where I'd get misfires with the cheap flash. Canon isn't the best but even my 600EX-RT mk1 is quite reliable but not perfect.

The more I shoot with my Sony I am really appreciating what it offers. It's an incredibly responsive system but native glass is truly the only solution. Using Canon is like eating comfort food to ease the soul during extremely stressful photography events. The camera just doesn't miss a beat and the only error I find is "human operation". Until I have all native glass / Gmaster glass with my Sony setup I will never use it for serious application.

I cannot navigate a joy stick faster than "focus/recompose" method. I do not shoot center focus much. I must get faster and faster using a joystick if I continue to consider Sony as a setup for my style of photography. Using Sony eye focus is cool when you have one human subject in the frame looking at you but asking a sony body to choose your human subjects (plural) you'll get AF on the wrong subject.

I'm just stating my experience. Everyone else can comment on their personal skills and justification of using a system for Pro work. We all have a choice

How much experience do you have shooting eye focus tracking. You don't let the camera choose the face...but instead you tell the camera what face to focus on and it finds the eyes and stays focused on the eyes.

You view of letting the camera choose the face when there are multiple faces in the scene makes me feel you have very little real experience shooting eye focus tracking with Sony.

Hogloff wrote in post #18673438
How much experience do you have shooting eye focus tracking. You don't let the camera choose the face...but instead you tell the camera what face to focus on and it finds the eyes and stays focused on the eyes.

You view of letting the camera choose the face when there are multiple faces in the scene makes me feel you have very little real experience shooting eye focus tracking with Sony.

I'm afraid Hogloff the "Master of Sony" will teach me something today............ I'm waitin'....

Just curious if your talking about registering faces. If so I'd love to see an event shooter do such a tedious thing when you shooter hundreds of different faces in an evening.

If your speaking of selecting a face I see how it works but focus recompose with AF-S works just as well with Canon. AF-S with Sony is not remotely as good in locking from what I've experienced. Not an issue as Sony is just a fun camera at the moment and not anything for serious events shooting.

Alan is making a name for himself in every subforum