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Am I crazy to think I could shoot weddings with just medium format?

 
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Mar 11, 2018 16:49 as a reply to  @ post 18582985 |  #31

So one has to wonder

  • what his style is (whatever that means his shooting is like), and how it differs from...
  • 'editorial style' -- whatever he means by that

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Mar 11, 2018 17:25 |  #32

Wilt wrote in post #18583008 (external link)
So one has to wonder
  • what his style is (whatever that means his shooting is like), and how it differs from...
  • 'editorial style' -- whatever he means by that

In my experience "editorial style" usually refers to more posed and staged shots, like magazine spreads. Not to be confused with "journalistic" or "documentary" style, which refers more to following the action and capturing it in the moment when it's actually happening. I'm definitely more of the in the moment style, and less staged shots.

I have not yet read the review, so I don't know if that's how he's referring to it, but generally that's how I refer to the two styles.

I can see how the gfx would lend itself to more staged, posed shots. While I know this is a popular style, I do consider it much less genuine, and sometimes would even go as far to say it's "fake wedding coverage" (to a certain extent). But since I am capturing things as they happen 99% of the time, I don't think the gfx could keep up with my moment to moment shooting.

Besides the slow AF, the 3 fps with an 8 shot buffer and 1/125 flash sync are also deal breakers.


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Mar 11, 2018 17:36 as a reply to  @ Jarvis Creative Studios's post |  #33

OTOH, one tends to see more of the 'staged' shots selected for the album, the shots taken immediately after the ceremony has concluded and in the interim before the bridal party show up en masse at the reception.

My own style is the 'staged' described as above, and the more 'photojournalistic' shots during ceremony and at the reception (with few 'staged'). I especially detest when I see the photographers taking over the reception, staging when things occur (and not merely allowing the reception to flow on its own) as if the reception itself was for the convenience of the photographer and the bridal party were actually hired models being directed by the photographer.

Certainly 'staged' shooting is slower paced that 'photojournalistic' where the action has its own pace and you simply have to keep up or be left behind.


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Mar 11, 2018 19:13 |  #34

Do have a look Jared & scroll down to the Spain ones, Kevins kids mucking about, the camera keeping up...


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Mar 11, 2018 23:21 |  #35

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18582920 (external link)
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Why do you say that it doesn't take 5 seconds? .. How would you know?

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Coz I have been shooting GFX for last 6 months now.:) And 1/125 is not an issue anymore. Profoto, Elinchrom, Godox all allow shooting 1/4000 now. Yes, it is HSS, yes you loose power but I got 600ws strobes so don't worry anymore. I am still not suggesting this camera for weddings, fast paced events. Hope in 2019, focus gets an update with new 100MP sensor. I think that one Sony is going to put PDAF sensors.


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Mar 13, 2018 09:35 |  #36

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OMG, the world has turned into a bunch of 'instant' gratification freaks! Focus taking 3-5 seconds, that washing out the use of a camera for weddings.

Back in the days of film SLRs, do folks think really we could achieve accurate focus with that same speed, in dimly lit settings no less?!

The only limiting thing about the Fuji GSX that i could identify without pouring over the specs is the fact that X-sync is limited to 1/125 second...that is like reverting to the vertical metal focal plane shutters predating the EOS launch...the horzontal cloth 135 format SLR had only 1/60 for x-sync shutter. Synchro sun flash fill is out, with that limitation. That is the reason that Hassy and Bronica were so prevalent among wedding shooters...leaf shutters that permitted X-sync flash up to 1/500 shutter speed.

Ahhh, good times. Good times.




  
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Mar 13, 2018 14:32 |  #37

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Do have a look Jared & scroll down to the Spain ones, Kevins kids mucking about, the camera keeping up...

I checked it out. It does appear to have kept up well. But that was quite the sunny day for those pool shots (1/4000ss i was noticing on most shots). I don't think it would be the same in a dark reception hall. And since it's mirorrless that means no IR assist beam either :-(.


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Mar 13, 2018 16:21 |  #38

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Mar 13, 2018 18:22 |  #39

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I checked it out. It does appear to have kept up well. But that was quite the sunny day for those pool shots (1/4000ss i was noticing on most shots). I don't think it would be the same in a dark reception hall. And since it's mirorrless that means no IR assist beam either :-(.


If only IR assist would fully work with mirrorless, damn IR filters. On a side note: I have had good luck with Godox flashes and their AF assist while shooting the Fuji, the camera picked up the beam quite well & the AF in the darker rooms is better. It locks on fast. Have you tried it with yours?


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Mar 13, 2018 19:11 |  #40

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If only IR assist would fully work with mirrorless, damn IR filters. On a side note: I have had good luck with Godox flashes and their AF assist while shooting the Fuji, the camera picked up the beam quite well & the AF in the darker rooms is better. It locks on fast. Have you tried it with yours?

I tried to download the firmware update so it would work on the a9. But Godox is so stupid and makes you download some sort of installer, but then doesn't tell you where to get it or how to install it. I found where to get it, but have no idea how to make it work on Windows 10. It's in a weird format and I can't figure out how to open the installer. I had to do the same thing on my Flashpoint devices, but it was much easier with them.

Also, I haven't seen anything that says the V860ii speedlights will have a beam with the a9. Only thing I've seen is the XT-1 controller gets the beam with the firmware update, and that's never on my camera during events.


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Mar 13, 2018 21:09 as a reply to  @ Jarvis Creative Studios's post |  #41

At least you have a windows pc. I’m on Mac so had to go hunting to find a friend who would let me install dodgy looking Chinese software on their pc.


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Mar 16, 2018 08:56 |  #42

Just because you can use the GFX doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the best tool for the job.

For the Fuji world i would probable feel
More comfortable with two x-H1 bodies gripped battery pack. Best they have to offer with ibis capabilities. Mirrored bodies still appear to be the best tools for red focus assist at dark receptions. Size wise you might as well shoot with two d850’s with no battery grip, lots of mega pixels, high iso capabilities
and confident low light shooting.

Image quality is fantastic on the GFX but for most candid captures you can potentially miss spontaneous moments with Fuji AF. Sony you can activate eye focus when you want it so that is insane af speed. Nikon or canon in any type of lighting af just doesn’t really ever slow down like Fuji. This is hardware talk not the adaptive skills of a photographer manually focussing when Fuji af fails or slows down in low light.

Clients rely on your skills to capture lifetime memories I certainly would reconsider using different better tools for that type of task. Gfx iexcels in other types of photography.....

Having 2 identical or compatible bodies using same lens is a wise choice for capturing once in a lifetime events.

Hmmmmmmm


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Mar 16, 2018 09:33 as a reply to  @ AlanU's post |  #43

Just because you bring a GFX to a wedding doesn't mean you have to use it to shoot the poorly lit reception & dancing. I just use one my other Fujis and have no problem grabbing focus in low light for getting spontaneous moments ( you can always see them about to happen anyway ). I think my experience in using Fuji has been a lot different to yours Alan.

For all the shots where posing is required the GFX is great, the formals for example, or any moment where people aren't moving around too much. There are so many situations in a wedding that would match that, practically the whole ceremony is static. Weddings are not full of people running around like crazy all the time, least not any the ones I've shot, until it gets much later in the day. How did we ever manage before AF was any good. It all depends on how you shoot, if you and your bride are not into reportage then it'd be fine IMO.


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Mar 16, 2018 09:37 |  #44

For those wondering I ended up picking up an XH-1 to replace one of my XT2's with the intent to replace the other once I get it back from Fuji. I wanted to do the GFX but it will have to wait for the budget to align. If I had the budget and didn't want to also do some video i would have done the GFX for sure. Maybe in the fall.


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Mar 16, 2018 10:18 |  #45

Kim,

I’ll admit I’m much happier with godox flashes over my ef-x500.

Gfx uses different batteries and different lenses. That is a different world to other Fuji bodies. 24mp is more than enough for basic large prints many B/G would ask for. Buying a Nikon D850 is cheaper but full featured with huge options and high MP count. Odd suggestion but it’s just as “different”.

Clients wouldn’t be as critical and couldn’t tell the difference between crop to MF especially on average size print.

High end portraiture the Gfx is where it excels or enjoyable photography that’s not fast paced events.

Everyone is entitled to their own decisions on suitable gear for specific applications.


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