Anyone switched from Canon to Fuji? Question about metering

I've shot with Canon for years but got tired of lugging around my 5DMark II and lenses on vacations and such. So I just purchased an X-T1 and 18-55mm to start out with. So far I love the camera and the shots I've taken look fantastic, but I'm curious about metering between the two systems.

When I take my 5DMII and 85mm lens vs the 18-55mm zoomed to 55mm (to get as close to 85mm as I can) and then manually set the aperture and ISO to be the same on both cameras with the 5DMII in AV mode and the Fuji shutter set to Auto and then take a picture of an object with each, the shutter speed on the 5DMII ends up faster (sometimes even twice as fast) as the X-T1. I've got the X-T1 set to "multi" metering and the 5DMII set to "evaluative" which by what I can tell should be similar between the two systems? Is there any other reason for this gap between the shutter speed that each system determines is needed to expose the shot?

The results seem to be just fine on the X-T1 even if the shutter speed is slower (I assume because of the IS built into the lens) but I'm worried that it may miss shots of the kids inside where light isn't as abundant where before on the 5DMII I didn't have any issue. I guess I could always bump up the ISO to get faster shutter speeds, but it still seems weird there's such a gap. Seems like they should be about the same?

Anything I'm missing here?

Take both cameras and aim them at a rather detailless uniformly colored, uniformly illuminated wall, and

1) note the meter readings.
2) shoot a shot with both cameras, at their meter-indicated exposure.
3) manually set both cameras to identical ISO , identical shutter speed, and identical f/stop and shoot (pretend the meter suggestion was the same for both, even if it differed)

Observe the result...

1. the meter reading from both should be equivalent suggested exposures
   
2. the tonality of the resulting shots should be the same from both shots as indicated by their meters
   
3. the tonality of the resulting shots should be the same from both shots with identical ISO , identical shutter speed, and identical f/stop
   

Wilt wrote in post #18582814
Take both cameras and aim them at a rather detailless uniformly colored, uniformly illuminated wall, and
1) note the meter readings.
2) shoot a shot with both cameras, at their meter-indicated exposure.

Please pardon my ignorance, but are you just saying to put the camera in fully auto mode in regards to ISO, shutter and f/stop and then point the camera at a wall and see what it meters?

Wilt wrote in post #18582814

1. the meter reading from both should be equivalent suggested exposures
   
2. the tonality of the resulting shots should be the same from both shots as indicated by their meters
   
3. the tonality of the resulting shots should be the same from both shots with identical ISO , identical shutter speed, and identical f/stop
   

I did take a few shots a couple days ago on both cameras after manually setting both their ISO, f/stop and shutter speed to be identical. The resulting images did look pretty close when compared side by side. I guess I'm just not sure why when I set both cameras to aperture priority mode and allow the camera to set the necessary shutter speed given the static ISO and f/stop why one produced a significant difference in shutter speed?

Thanks for the response.

You might find this of interest
http://www.fujifilm.co​m.au …ding-metering-on-the-x-t1

You previously got what you thought to be two different shutter speeds...you were pointed at a scene with ZERO consistency of metering ('in the same general direction'), so I was telling to you point at an IDENTICAL target area (featurelesss, uniformly colored, uniformly illuminated) so you could determine what metering difference (if any) might existed in a somewhat controlled target situation.

Two Hot Shoes wrote in post #18583600
You might find this of interest
http://www.fujifilm.co​m.au …ding-metering-on-the-x-t1

Thanks. I had read over that link a few days ago. To me, it seems that "multi" metering on the X-T1 is the same as "Evaluative" on the 5DMII so that's what I've been going with. In my testing though, if I set the X-T1 to "Average" that does get the resulting shutter speed closer to that of the 5DMII when it's in "Evaluative" metering mode although I don't believe that those two are meant to be similar.

Wilt wrote in post #18583646
You previously got what you thought to be two different shutter speeds...you were pointed at a scene with ZERO consistency of metering ('in the same general direction'), so I was telling to you point at an IDENTICAL target area (featurelesss, uniformly colored, uniformly illuminated) so you could determine what metering difference (if any) might existed in a somewhat controlled target situation.

Ok thanks. I'll do some testing and post results.

deronsizemore wrote in post #18582789
I've shot with Canon for years but got tired of lugging around my 5DMark II and lenses on vacations and such. So I just purchased an X-T1 and 18-55mm to start out with. So far I love the camera and the shots I've taken look fantastic, but I'm curious about metering between the two systems.

When I take my 5DMII and 85mm lens vs the 18-55mm zoomed to 55mm (to get as close to 85mm as I can) and then manually set the aperture and ISO to be the same on both cameras with the 5DMII in AV mode and the Fuji shutter set to Auto and then take a picture of an object with each, the shutter speed on the 5DMII ends up faster (sometimes even twice as fast) as the X-T1. I've got the X-T1 set to "multi" metering and the 5DMII set to "evaluative" which by what I can tell should be similar between the two systems? Is there any other reason for this gap between the shutter speed that each system determines is needed to expose the shot?

The results seem to be just fine on the X-T1 even if the shutter speed is slower (I assume because of the IS built into the lens) but I'm worried that it may miss shots of the kids inside where light isn't as abundant where before on the 5DMII I didn't have any issue. I guess I could always bump up the ISO to get faster shutter speeds, but it still seems weird there's such a gap. Seems like they should be about the same?

Anything I'm missing here?

Did you take into account the ISO being the same? Minimum (non-expanded) on 5D2 is ISO 100, the minimum (non-expanded JPG only) on X-T1 is 200?

I've not noticed anything strange between my Canons and Fujis. The only difference to me is the ISO 200 minimum, and shooting at F1.2 and F1.4 in the sun here in Florida, and lighting invovelement. Other than that, I have no issues with nailing exposure. I actually run on my X-T1 auto ISO and AV mode with a -2/3rds EC set at all times. With Canon, I always had to push the EC positive a little. Fuji I run it negative, and I can recover more compared to my Canons.

Very best,

It's more of a metering question, if both cameras are exposing at 0 the Fuji is showing a brighter image (lower shutter speed) than the Canon. The images once equalised in post to have the same histogram values have the same settings. For example - one stop of exposure down on the Fuji file when the X-T1 was 1/250 and the 5D2 was 1/500 for shutter speed.

I use either spot with the exposure reading point linked to the AF point or matrix. They give me the best results with Fuji (particularly the spot).

So here's two shots I just took:

5DMII: https://app.box.com …qiikbl6limntw1y​h6reqh3mnz

X-T1: https://app.box.com …ew0okw2b5gwegsk​ciir213xwv

I stood at exactly the same position and metered the same wall under the same lighting conditions. Both cameras are set to Aperture Priority mode at f/stop 4.0, ISO 1600, and Evaluative (Canon) / Multi (Fuji) metering modes. No adjustments to exposure compensation were made on either camera. The only difference in the two was that the Canon is 85mm and the Fuji was 55 (82.5 equivalent).

Exposure time ended up being 1/125 for the Canon and 1/35 for the Fuji and as you can see results in two completely different images. The Fuji has the wall appearing to be gray and the Canon a darker brown. The wall is definitely brown and not gray.

Am I taking crazy pills here? Should the exposure time be THAT much different between two cameras which are set up with the same aperture, iso, etc?

MalVeauX wrote in post #18583712
Did you take into account the ISO being the same? Minimum (non-expanded) on 5D2 is ISO 100, the minimum (non-expanded JPG only) on X-T1 is 200?

I've not noticed anything strange between my Canons and Fujis. The only difference to me is the ISO 200 minimum, and shooting at F1.2 and F1.4 in the sun here in Florida, and lighting invovelement. Other than that, I have no issues with nailing exposure. I actually run on my X-T1 auto ISO and AV mode with a -2/3rds EC set at all times. With Canon, I always had to push the EC positive a little. Fuji I run it negative, and I can recover more compared to my Canons.

Very best,

Yeah, ISO was the same (I also took some more test shots above and outlined the settings used for each). It seems that if I do as you say and set the EC -2/3 then

Two Hot Shoes wrote in post #18583735
It's more of a metering question, if both cameras are exposing at 0 the Fuji is showing a brighter image (lower shutter speed) than the Canon. The images once equalised in post to have the same histogram values have the same settings. For example - one stop of exposure down on the Fuji file when the X-T1 was 1/250 and the 5D2 was 1/500 for shutter speed.

I use either spot with the exposure reading point linked to the AF point or matrix. They give me the best results with Fuji (particularly the spot).

Thanks I'll mess around with spot metering some. I typically only use spot when something is backlit but maybe I need to experiment more.

With missorless cameras one of the big advantages is having the exposure in the EVF. Try turning on preview exp./wb mode. That way you can see the exposure in the EVF.

One image is exposing brighter (the Fuji 1/35) than the other (Canon 1/125) that's why you get a colour difference.

Two Hot Shoes wrote in post #18585467
With missorless cameras one of the big advantages is having the exposure in the EVF. Try turning on preview exp./wb mode. That way you can see the exposure in the EVF.

That's what I've got it currently set to.

Two Hot Shoes wrote in post #18585467
One image is exposing brighter (the Fuji 1/35) than the other (Canon 1/125) that's why you get a colour difference.

Thanks. I get that but I guess I'm just dumbfounded as to why? Why is the Canon metering so much differently and resulting in that much faster of a shutter speed. I could see a little different but for it to be that much different seems like something is wrong. I'm not eliminating the possibility that it's something I'm doing or that there's a setting on the Fuji that I'm missing which would make up the difference, I'm just not sure what that would be?

The EVF in my X-T1 has me spoiled. I typically leave mine in spot mode with everything manual and the shutter dial set to "T" so I can roll it to whatever speed I need (wish it locked there). I'll spot meter to get it rough and adjust to taste using the EVF. Only time I turn exposure preview off is when doing strobe stuff.

As for metering inconsistencies across brands, it was always my understanding that reflective meters as used in cameras attempt to meter a scene based off a 18% gray. You have a gray card you spot meter each one against to check?

I'm willing to bet that you have the Canon set to minimum shutter speed of 1/125 for Av mode. Check your menus. It's also a setting available on the Fuji, but Fuji will override it if you have the ISO manually set.

sporadic wrote in post #18585491
The EVF in my X-T1 has me spoiled. I typically leave mine in spot mode with everything manual and the shutter dial set to "T" so I can roll it to whatever speed I need (wish it locked there). I'll spot meter to get it rough and adjust to taste using the EVF. Only time I turn exposure preview off is when doing strobe stuff.

As for metering inconsistencies across brands, it was always my understanding that reflective meters as used in cameras attempt to meter a scene based off a 18% gray. You have a gray card you spot meter each one against to check?

I think I have a small gray card at home. I'll test it with spot metering.

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #18585551
I'm willing to bet that you have the Canon set to minimum shutter speed of 1/125 for Av mode. Check your menus. It's also a setting available on the Fuji, but Fuji will override it if you have the ISO manually set.

Nope. Just took a test shot at 1/4 shutter speed in AV mode.

You do NOT need a small gray card or spotmetering. Re-read what I originally suggested you do for testing, in post #2