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Mar 21, 2018 18:39 |  #31

AlanU wrote in post #18591186 (external link)
Pitch black studio with studio strobes I recall showing “us” Fuji lovers the difference in the Fuji / canon difference in iso.

The issue the OP has is a metering one not some perceived ISO variance shown in a less than accurate procedure. I'm going to see if the metering is giving the same result as the OP and try to see why.

Cheap strobes will have varying output from shot to shot & lenses will have different transmission values. If you are testing for any minute difference in the ISO you'd need to consider and eliminate these things first.


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Mar 21, 2018 18:50 |  #32

Two Hot Shoes wrote in post #18591204 (external link)
The issue the OP has is a metering one not some perceived ISO variance shown in a less than accurate procedure. I'm going to see if the metering is giving the same result as the OP and try to see why.

Cheap strobes will have varying output from shot to shot & lenses will have different transmission values. If you are testing for any minute difference in the ISO you'd need to consider and eliminate these things first.

I guess most decent strobes would have consistent output and little to no colour shift even when changing output levels.

At the end of the day the difference in iso really isn't really an issue.


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Mar 21, 2018 21:05 |  #33

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I'm going to dust off a 5D3 over the weekend and test this out for myself, my curiosity is well peaked.

Thanks. I'm really curious what kind of difference you get in shutter speed when both are in aperture priority mode shooting the same object or wall under the same lighting


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Mar 28, 2018 08:41 |  #34

Two Hot Shoes wrote in post #18591126 (external link)
I'm going to dust off a 5D3 over the weekend and test this out for myself, my curiosity is well peaked.

Curious if you did any testing with this?


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Mar 28, 2018 14:40 as a reply to  @ deronsizemore's post |  #35

Ah, no I didn't get to any testing over the weekend but will repost back once I get time to so.


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Jun 12, 2018 12:30 |  #36

I was playing around with my X100F and 6d with a 35mm f2 a couple weeks ago - both raw, both full manual settings (same ISO, etc.). The Fuji certainly meters different than my 6d. There's a significant difference in low light.

Just thinking about it though, f2 on the 23mm is equal to what on the FF? F3, give or take?? The crop factor is 1.53, so 23*1.53 = 35.19mm FF equivalent. Do I need to multiply the aperture by that same 1.53? f2 on my X100F is f3.06? That would explain things a little bit better.....for me at least, lol. I haven't owned an APS-C camera in a few years. I forget about the little technical differences.


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Jun 12, 2018 13:46 |  #37

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I was playing around with my X100F and 6d with a 35mm f2 a couple weeks ago - both raw, both full manual settings (same ISO, etc.). The Fuji certainly meters different than my 6d. There's a significant difference in low light.

Just thinking about it though, f2 on the 23mm is equal to what on the FF? F3, give or take?? The crop factor is 1.53, so 23*1.53 = 35.19mm FF equivalent. Do I need to multiply the aperture by that same 1.53? f2 on my X100F is f3.06? That would explain things a little bit better.....for me at least, lol. I haven't owned an APS-C camera in a few years. I forget about the little technical differences.

The crop factor does apply to aperture in relation to DOF, but not for light transmission (has no effect on Tstop)


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Jun 12, 2018 16:02 as a reply to  @ EverydayGetaway's post |  #38

Interesting. I did also compare it to a light meter app I have on my phone, and it was also different.


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Jun 12, 2018 16:48 |  #39

The ISO people allow five different ways of getting a value for ISO, however Japanese manufactures much choose from only two. The Recommended Exposure Index (REI) technique or the Standard Output Sensitivity (SOS) technique both introduced in the 2006 revision of the ISO standard 12232. Fuji use the SOS version while Canon and Nikon use the REI method. So you will find the there will be a difference between the brands depending on the standard used. The manufacture can set the exposure index for what they believe is the correct exposure, within various parameters, and have the camera report that (for the REI version). The SOS version says that the average level in the sRGB must be 18% grey give or talk 1/3 of a stop (again given some parameters).

In addition Fuji use an "ISO irrelevant" sensor.


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Jun 12, 2018 17:59 as a reply to  @ Two Hot Shoes's post |  #40

Thank you, that's really all I've been looking for. The tech specifics aren't important to me, but knowing I'm not crazy - now that is important. Haha.


It all started when I was playing with 'sunny 16' on my Minolta - guessing the settings based on the light. I used my X100 meter to verify...and I was off. But according to my meter app and 6d, I wasn't. I was just really confused, haha.


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Jun 14, 2018 17:54 |  #41

I was playing, but this is what makes my head spin.

Unedited RAW images.

Evaluative metering.

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Multi-metering.

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EDIT!!! The ND filter may have been on....! Haha, if you can believe it, I'm even more confused now. Just ignore me. :P

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Jun 17, 2018 08:28 |  #42

Base ISO200

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Of course not the same lens so that is also part of the difference.

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Jun 17, 2018 09:19 |  #43

when I had my Xt1 and 7DII. To get the pretty much equal exposure of a scene I would have my XT1 set at -2/3 exposure comp to equal to the canon exposure at 0 exposure comp. I have no idea what the shutter speeds were though.


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Jun 19, 2018 14:20 |  #44

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when I had my Xt1 and 7DII. To get the pretty much equal exposure of a scene I would have my XT1 set at -2/3 exposure comp to equal to the canon exposure at 0 exposure comp. I have no idea what the shutter speeds were though.

That's what I saw as well. I typically keep my X-T1 -2/3 or so to get the same shutter speed and exposure as my 5DMII


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Jul 26, 2018 08:18 |  #45

I recently traded in all of my Canon FF gear (I shot 5D, II, III, IV over the years) and switched to the Fujifilm world and an X-H1. In terms of exposure, I suppose there are two general aspects to consider - 1) exposing for the JPEG and, 2) exposing for the raw file. I shot pretty much 99.9% raw with the Canon, and there is no reason not to continue shooting raw with the X-H1, so this observation about exposure on the X-H1 is from the perspective of exposing for the raw file.

With the Canon, and more specifically the 5DIII and 5DIV, I metered with the spot meter for the lightest highlight in which I wanted to retain detail. The reflectance spot meter in the camera and the spot meter in my Sekonic meter more or less produced a similar result, but I would consider the Sekonic spot the reference. After shooting many different scenes under daylight (i.e., not tungsten artificial light) and analyzing the raw files using Raw Digger, I concluded that I was able to expose +3EV from the metered reading and retain highlight detail without clipping the raw data (specular highlights aside). Acquiring an image was then as simple as metering the desired highlight and adding three stops of exposure. This technique gave me the optimal sensor saturation (i.e., "ETTR") for raw conversion. If some clipping did occur, it occurred in the green channel and the red and blue channels, which are typically underexposed by 1 to 1.5 stop or so in daylight, were still intact for highlight reconstruction, given that the raw converter I used did reconstruction from the intact channels.

The X-H1 and the X-Trans sensor is not much different in terms of how I have been approaching working out exposure. I have found that I can expose at least 3EV above the metered highlight reading - depending upon which raw converter I use, and assuming that the brightest highlights are neutral (like fluffy white clouds), I have been able to expose almost 4EV above the metered reading and still get highlight detail (albeit partially reconstructed from the intact red and blue channels where green clipping occurred - again, this is dependent on the raw converter, and exposing based on your raw converter is probably not good exposure practice in general!).

If I were conservatively exposing and did not need to walk the ETTR tightrope, I would use the same technique as with my Canon equipment - meter the brightest highlight in which I want to maintain full detail and then add 3EV and fire away.

In terms of making this work with JPEGs, well, that would probably depend upon the scene and the camera settings. I find that Eterna with -2 highlights and -2 shadows at least opens the tonal range and renders a flatter, more log-like image that preserves as much of tonal info for the ETTR exposure. Otherwise, I would simply decide that I am shooting for JPEG only and expose in the viewfinder WYSIWYG in whatever film sim and settings I like, with some attention to the exposure indicator.

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