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Mar 24, 2018 19:52 |  #1

Mods, please move this post to an appropriate location, if required.

Last May I sold my used camera through this forum to an out-of-state buyer for $900. Nothing unusual, as always using PayPal. As always, PayPal took its cut of 3 percent.

Almost a year later I get IRS form 1099-K, that showed a $900 income to me. I called PayPal, they explained to me that starting 2017 Massachusetts requires PayPal (and similar services) to report sales that exceed $600, so now I will have to pay state tax (not sure yet about federal) on these $900 bucks.

Interesting enough, there were a few personal payments to me that far exceeded that $600 limit, and those are not required to be reported.

Mass residents may want to take this into consideration when setting prices for their wares.




  
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Mar 24, 2018 20:11 |  #2

I'm no tax lawyer, nor do I live in MA.

Having established my lack of credentials, please see here:
https://www.mass.gov/g​uides/sales-and-use-tax (external link).

Find this section: "Casual and isolated sales:

Infrequent and nonrecurring transactions made by people or businesses that don't regularly make such sales. For example, sales of used appliances by a homeowner or sales at infrequent yard sales. Please note that generally, casual sales of cars, boats or trailers are taxable except for certain family transactions.

Leads to more detail here: http://www.mass.gov …l-and-isolated-sales.html (external link)

Although it may be easier to just pay their tax, seems like you shouldn't need to pay it, unless you have a business selling camera gear, a pawn shop, or something similar.




  
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Mar 24, 2018 21:30 as a reply to  @ Capn Jack's post |  #3

Thanks. I was doing my tax return when I noticed that form. Your posting explains things.




  
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Mar 24, 2018 22:24 as a reply to  @ Lbsimon's post |  #4

You do not need to pay additional tax on it, the MA law is just a reporting notification. See bullet point #2 below

mass.gov FAQ:
I received a 1099-K notice. Do I need to report that amount as taxable income?
Answer: It depends on each taxpayer’s specific situation. Form 1099-K is an informational document. You should use the information reported in conjunction with your other records to determine whether it’s taxable income and to determine your correct tax. Here are four examples:

1. Mike works part-time as an independent driver for hire, and, over the course of a year, he receives income of $9,789 via a Third Party Settlement Organization (TPSO). The $9,789 should be included when calculating gross receipts for his income tax return. He may be able to deduct certain business expenses.
2. Meghan is downsizing her home and sells furniture on an auction site for $5,000. The original purchase price of the furniture was $9,000. The $5,000 IS NOT subject to tax as it is a function of selling personal items at a loss.
3. Mario, a full-time accountant, also has a hobby selling hand-painted holiday decorations on an auction site. He sells $3,268 worth of decorations over the course of the year. That $3,268 amount should be included when calculating gross receipts for his income tax return. He may be able to deduct certain business expenses.
4. Molly goes to dinner with her 14 graduate school classmates to celebrate the end of the term. She pays for a $1,500 meal on her credit card and her classmates reimburse her for the expense via a peer-to-peer payment system, totaling $1,400. That $1,400 IS NOT subject to tax or any reporting as it is was not payment for goods or services, but simply reimbursement.


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Mar 27, 2018 10:56 |  #5

dFreezy wrote in post #18593433 (external link)
You do not need to pay additional tax on it, the MA law is just a reporting notification. See bullet point #2 below


Thank you for posting this. This is indeed very helpful.


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Mar 27, 2018 20:29 |  #6

Lbsimon wrote in post #18593332 (external link)
Mods, please move this post to an appropriate location, if required.

Last May I sold my used camera through this forum to an out-of-state buyer for $900. Nothing unusual, as always using PayPal. As always, PayPal took its cut of 3 percent.

Almost a year later I get IRS form 1099-K, that showed a $900 income to me. I called PayPal, they explained to me that starting 2017 Massachusetts requires PayPal (and similar services) to report sales that exceed $600, so now I will have to pay state tax (not sure yet about federal) on these $900 bucks.

Interesting enough, there were a few personal payments to me that far exceeded that $600 limit, and those are not required to be reported.

Mass residents may want to take this into consideration when setting prices for their wares.

You just have to file another form showing you what you paid for the item, and you just have to show a loss. The 1099K filing has been required for years, and this is why I have had to create a different paypal account for business items. You don't have to pay state tax if you didn't make money on the sale.

Of course the limit laid out by MA is ridiculous. The IRS national limits make more sense than the MA limit.

https://www.mass.gov …-from-third-party-sellers (external link)

EDIT: Looks like we are all saying the same basic thing. :)

My headaches were with the IRS. On the first year that the 1099K become an active part of taxes (prior two years, Paypal and others had to file it with the government, but you didn't have to do anything with it). That first year, I sold $5000 of camera gear, along with my business account. I kept very detailed reports that showed my income for business and the sales of the items. IRS came back with a notice that I owed taxes on the $5000 unreported 1099K income on my taxes. I had to use the Turbo Tax audit service so that they could explain things to the IRS, and I had to put a rough amount on each item and roughly when I bought them so they could do this loss of assets/depreciation to negate the IRS claim. Not a whole lot of fun... :(

I have since filed an LLC and file 2 returns a year now.


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Mar 27, 2018 20:39 |  #7

I would be screwed since I typically buy used and sell later... I've actually made a decent profit more times than not.


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Mar 27, 2018 20:40 |  #8

Talley wrote in post #18595346 (external link)
I would be screwed since I typically buy used and sell later... I've actually made a decent profit more times than not.

I would suggest keeping records, because all states will move this way eventually and I suspect the IRS will lower their "business" thresholds too (from 200 transactions+ or 20K+ to something less). Everybody wants their money, however unlawful.

You would be better to pay tax on the profit than the entire lot. ;)


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Mar 27, 2018 21:47 |  #9

It is interesting to note that the law specifically says that the number of transactions should be over 200, and reach (I think) $20K before reporting. I had one transaction, for $900, and still got the 1099-K.




  
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