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The Canon MILC Rumors and the Mount

 
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Mar 25, 2018 18:05 |  #1

There's a lot of angst going on over at places like DPReview as to what will happen with Canon's (supposed) new 35mm format MILC and the EF and EF-M mount.

I was thinking about some discussions I've had here at POTN over the years relative to the abandonment of the FD mount. As I've said before, I know this decision by Canon hurt their existing customer base at the time, but over the long haul it was the right thing to do. The new AF systems hitting the market called for a new, all electronic mount that would not hinder lens design. I think it paid off.

So now the question is, does the new MILC arena present the same opportunity? Should the camera have a new mount? I think overall, probably yes. But I can make a few arguments either way.

1) Flange distance and size - MILCs allow a short flange distance, which is cool for adapting all sorts of lenses. Theoretically this also means your entire wide angle lens setup can be designed smaller and lighter. In practice though.....I'm not seeing that happen. Look at lenses like Sony's 35/1.4. It's still a gigantic retrofocus design. What I'm seeing is that for best performance and good corners on digital, most of the time lenses are still retrofocus.

2) AF motors - The other lesson I'm seeing from Sony primarily is that combined, on-sensor PDAF and CDAF systems are at their best with purpose built AF motors that are a bit different than what is best on a pure PDAF dSLR setup. One argument I hear for using EF mount on a MILC is preserving legacy lenses. But what if you really need a new lens with different AF motors for the absolute best performance?

3) Adapting - Sure, a new shorter flange mount can work with adapting. But using adaptors is a hassle and what if this (along with point #2) means the lenses are not optimal?


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Mar 26, 2018 07:33 |  #2

IMO, if Canon really believes that professional full-frame MILCs are their strategy for the future, then they should optimize the mount for them.

The FD-to-EF analogy isn’t completely the same because that was going from a manual focus lens mount with simple mechanical linkages to an all-electronic connection. But there was still lots of grumbling, and Canon sold an “FD-EOS mount converter” for a couple of years that mainly worked on the big expensive super teles.

With all of the flak Canon has gotten around here lately for playing safe and not innovating, I hope they do what is really best for the long term for this product line (assuming it really becomes a product line). If the rumors of an impending announcement are true, then I suppose we’ll know soon enough.

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Mar 26, 2018 15:41 |  #3

I do think the opposite is in all of our best interests in this case. Unless Canon is looking to REPLACE the DSLR all together, then I don't see a downside to backward compatibility. Just my opinion of course.

Note backward compatibility does not require the EF mount on the body.

If there is a significant advantage to a different mount on the camera, then I would assume that Canon could and would/SHOULD include with the release of the new mirrorless, a solid no performance hit adapter that passes all electronics through unscathed, and merely acts as the physical go between to two mounts.


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Mar 26, 2018 18:35 |  #4

What the hell is a MILC?



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Mar 26, 2018 18:52 |  #5

Naturalist wrote in post #18594613 (external link)
What the hell is a MILC?

Mirrorless, interchangeable lens camera.

An alternative ackronym is EVIL - electronic viewfinder, interchangeable lens.


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Mar 27, 2018 01:16 |  #6

I wonder, if Canon released a full frame mirrorless that didn’t work well with existing EF lenses (with an adapter), how many current Canon DSLR users would buy a Sony (which seem to work quite well with EF lenses) instead?

Providing an easy migration path seems like a no brainer to me.




  
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Sep 05, 2018 06:13 |  #7

New Canon 30mp FF mirrorless announced with new “RF” lens mount and 4 RF lenses to start.

Adapter avail for EF to RF...

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