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Apr 08, 2018 16:55 |  #1

Hello,

I'm planning to create some postcards

I prepared a model, and imported some PSD files or TIFFs linked from Photoshop.

My color space used in photoshop is ProPhotoRGB.

As the final convertion will be a CMYK, do you think Indesign will make a good convertion in CMYK for printing ? and Which color space to use before a CMYK converstion ?

When I try to export I just see the option to incorporate the profle "Coated FOGRA39". As I didn't get the any details from the printer, maybe It is better not to incorportate anything?


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Apr 08, 2018 17:43 |  #2

Convert to CMYK in Ps.

Conversion settings are 100 percent dependent on the output device/printer requirements.

That's typical, but what printer service are you using? Are you saying they have given you no guidance?


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Apr 09, 2018 02:52 as a reply to  @ Left Handed Brisket's post |  #3

Hello,

I read some articles which really discourages to convert to CMYK before loading to Indesign, so I thought it was the best way to preserve the colors from start to end and convert only in the last step.
https://indesignsecret​s.com …n-convert-cmyk-export.php (external link)

For the printer service, I'm living Colombia South Amercia, and after visiting few printer services, they are unable to give complete information. Last time the I asked if they printed in RGB o CMYK and she didn't even know what it is ! Lol. (I don't know if I have ro laugh or to cry).
In the best one i tried to get the most information possible and could get : CMYK, dimensions of the document, and 1cm margin...


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Apr 09, 2018 04:44 |  #4

AS I said in your other thread, always RGB colour to Id. I have always just used sRGB. Not that it matters if you are fully colour managed. I have often had to deal with others photos, and often they don't have a profile, in which case I just assign sRGB, since they are usually from a phone. All your Id components will usually be in CMYK, as that seems to be prefered. Id will allow you to use whatever you want, CMYK, RGB, and even Lab, and even mix them throught the document.

All my exports are usually as PDF, which is either sent to a print shop for offset printing, and the shop handle going from PDF to output. Or on commercial colour laser, and they like inkjets are to the outside world RGB devices.

The only time I would convert an image to CMYK is if the print shop specifically asked me to. Even then I would be double checking that who ever was asking that knew what they were doing.

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Apr 09, 2018 08:16 |  #5

From the article in post 3:

Similarly, when you’re applying solid colors to objects in InDesign—and those documents are headed for print—you should use CMYK or spot color swatches, not RGB, in the interest of predictable conversion. For example, if you apply a solid RGB color 0/255/255 (which is bright cyan) to a frame and then print it, you’re not going to see a perfect 100% cyan in print. Instead, you’ll get something like 52% cyan and 13% yellow. That’s just par for the course when it comes to converting solid RGB colors to CMYK. So if you want 100% cyan, you should spec it in InDesign as 100% cyan.

For me, picking up colors from images and using them, or analogous or complementary colors, is a regular need. These graphics or type can come from Illustrator or Id. For that reason, I prefer CMYK photos. Even building rich blacks that match photo ink densities can be important.

I 100 percent agree that RGB workflows are great for many printer outputs.

And again, if your printer cannot provide specifics, find another printer.


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Apr 09, 2018 08:25 |  #6

Oh, the article you posted also mentioned that some "small" printers have not upgraded their workflow. It is entirely possible that CMYK conversion is required in Your part of the world. As Al said that can be done on export from Id. You still need specifics on settings.


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Apr 09, 2018 10:05 |  #7

At the moment my biggest bug bear with Id is fonts! I'll pick a pretty standard font which you see on just about every windows machine since 3.11, and it seems that it's not available on other systems, and for some reason Id didn't embed the font data for it. Then the print shop comes back to me saying the fonts missing!

When it comes to working with Id, it was actually one of the local print shops that told me that I should keep the photo components of the document in RGB, which also seems to match the general consensus of advice. Mostly I just use the original Adobe defaults for export from Id to PDF, they seem to work really well, so no point in buggering about with them. If a print shop has specific instructions for you then follow them.

I did a job for a support group that I go to, designing a banner that was going to be done on reinforced vinyl. I had been asking the manager to find out some of the technical details for what was required, and was being met with the usual blank look you get. A bit later I overheard one of the other users asking the reciprocal type of questions, again being met with that blank look. Fortunately he was the one doing the printing, so we got it sorted out PDQ between us. It was nice to just be able to talk about the technical stuff without an intermediary.

I think it's the fact that in many print places you pick up the phone to talk to them, and you just get a sales person, not a print technician, so the moment you start talking technical stuff the sales persons eyes just glaze over, you get that blank look, and they just come out with whatever bits of stuff that they have overheard at some point, just to get you to buy, and get you off the phone before you cause the head to self destruct in five seconds;-)a.

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Apr 09, 2018 22:09 as a reply to  @ BigAl007's post |  #8

Haha, quite funny anecdote for the Sales person, it totally true in most places ! ;-)a

Again thanks for your advises !


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Apr 09, 2018 22:12 as a reply to  @ Left Handed Brisket's post |  #9

Yes I imagine that you can keep more control on your CMYK. At this stage I can't tell you what it involves.

In other post about the same subject I really like the advises of Alan (BigAl007) and think gonna adopt it for my first try.

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