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Apr 08, 2018 16:57 |  #1

Hi Everyone,

I'm want to print some postcards with indesign importing linked Tiffs or PSD from photoshop.

Do I need to scale down the files before or specify ? If not, does Indesign make a god job in sharpening the images for the final output size ?

In advance many thanks for your anwser.

My file are over 5000px large. Attached are the setings I use :

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Apr 08, 2018 22:45 |  #2

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Apr 09, 2018 03:13 as a reply to  @ Damo77's post |  #3

Thanks a lot for this excellent tuto ! Very intaeresting , I'm gonna read your website it is awesome

As you seem to be expert, I may have another questions:
1. considering that I don't have the ICC profile of my printer service, can I export my pdf without including the profile ? Then they would resolve it before printing ?
2. Is it a problem if my photo has a ProphotoRGB color space ? Do I need to convert it for Indesign ?

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Apr 09, 2018 04:35 |  #4

When I export images from Lr that I'm then going to import to Id I usually use sRGB and JPEG Q80, export sharpening matt paper standard or high, depending on image. Mostly export sharpening will be high. I will then set the size to be about correct at 300 PPI for the size that I envision using it at. Most of my images stay as RAW files, that are exported from Lr only when needed, and deleted after use. Even if I do need to use Ps I normally round trip it from Lr, using ProPhotoRGB at at full native resolution. I'll then do final crop and export from Lr as with a RAW file.

I have tested the benefits of using TIFF/PSD over JPEG, and for an 8 bit file I could barely measure any deviation in pixel values between the TIFF and a Q80 JPEG. Measured deviation on any one channel is usually in the range ±2 with ±6 being a very extreme, and pretty unusual variation. In general it seems that for any randomly selected pixel the variation will only show in one channel, not all three. As I said this is barely measurable, and is most certainly not visible. If you choose to test for yourself be sure that you are comparing the JPEG to the 8 bit TIFF. For JPEG the error is at pretty much identical levels to Q80 for a Q100, you get JPEG artifacts at Q100 as well, since it uses a completely different encoding method than RGB, and conversions always have losses. In my tests there was always a bigger difference between the Q100 and Q80 JPEGs than between either of them and the TIFF.

Mostly I'm using Id to do things like business cards and advertising flyers, which usually get printed on an offset machine at a print shop. I did also at one time edit and publish the match day programs for my local non league football club (soccer for those in the US). Since given the level of attendance at games that was normally a run of only 250 copies it was cheaper to print them myself on a commercial grade laser printer on a good quality paper stock, 100 or 120 gsm it's been a few years now since I did it. In all cases my images were always done in RGB, while the Id generated elements were specified in CMYK. My output was pretty much always just a straight export to PDF, which pretty much always matched from screen to print, for both the offset printing and the Laser printer. Of course the print shop dealt with the conversion from PDF, and pretty much all inkjet/laser printers are actually RGB devices to the outside world, even if they use CMYK internally onto the paper.

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Apr 09, 2018 06:39 |  #5

Tristan29photography wrote in post #18602930 (external link)
1. considering that I don't have the ICC profile of my printer service, can I export my pdf without including the profile ? Then they would resolve it before printing ?

Did they not tell you what profile to use? No, you definitely must not give them an untagged file.

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2. Is it a problem if my photo has a ProphotoRGB color space ? Do I need to convert it for Indesign ?

It's a catastrophic problem, yes, and not just for InDesign. The wide-gamut myth (external link)


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Apr 09, 2018 20:55 as a reply to  @ BigAl007's post |  #6

Thanks a lot Alan for your expert and very complete answer !! There is pretty much all I need to do my tests the best way ;-)a.
Gonna test with the Q80 if you say it is better (or the same as TIFF), exporting at 300ppi and 15cm on the wide size which the standard size for postcards.

All the best, I hope I can help you back in other subjects !


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Apr 09, 2018 21:51 as a reply to  @ Damo77's post |  #7

Thanks a lot Alan for this very clever article about Gamut ! You opened my eyes on new areas. I'm seeing the dark side of the moon, or maybe de brightest side ! ;-)a

I bought some video tutorials from some 500px Rockstars and they all say the same to use ProPhoto, so as a beginner we all run in this direction.

You are totally true when you say that in our entire workflow we don't see any colored pixel from the Adobe or Prophoto Color Space.

Now I'm just wondering 2 things; in PS workflow, with heavy 16 bit lumonisity masks and play with contrasts in some subtle color details, maybe there can be a loss by the "compression" of colors. Maybe we can't see the difference, but it leaves the mind free that we don't lose any opportunity at this stage.
Secondly we never know what will come in future, new technologies, new screens and new printers. So again for peace of mind I like to think that I have all the data available even if it is invisible... I'm Probably staying in a fake Craparazzi illusion ;-)a
Considering that I only show like 150 photos in my portfolio, over 80.000 in my library, it is not a problem to have a little extra work proofing in the end, if the result of my tiffs and psd are satisfying on screen.
Just adding some additional thought

Anyway congrats for your site, you bring on the table new subjects rarely treated on other places ! Brilliant I recommend everybody to have a check !

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