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Apr 21, 2018 02:37 |  #1

Is this a function of the camera? the phone?

Within a short distance, the app is definitely good enough for liveview+shooting remotely, but it doesn't take far before the app becomes very laggy/delayed/unreliab​le. I'd really love to be further away and still have access to a live view. Anything I can do?


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Apr 21, 2018 04:42 |  #2

kaitlyn2004 wrote in post #18610722 (external link)
Is this a function of the camera? the phone?

Within a short distance, the app is definitely good enough for liveview+shooting remotely, but it doesn't take far before the app becomes very laggy/delayed/unreliab​le. I'd really love to be further away and still have access to a live view. Anything I can do?

range is a function of how sensitive both ends are, and also how much other Wifi signals are in the same space.
My M5 for example uses only 2.4GHz Wifi - which only has 3 channels that don't overlap, so it's often the case that neighbouring networks would compete in the same radio space.

What camera are you needing to extend the range on? some of Canon's range (notably 1DX) have Ethernet ports so it may be technically possible to connect a Wifi access-point to the Ethernet port via cable, and connect the phone to the access-point.

How far away do you need? Without interference from any other networks, Wifi should give you a line-of-sight range of at least 15 meters (about 49 feet)


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Apr 21, 2018 05:42 |  #3

Even out in the middle of nowhere I'm lucky to get 20-25 feet away before things get weird with my 6D. That's not been a problem though.

There is a TP-Link battery powered router that I suspect could be used to create a local network and extend the distance.

I say this not having used a local network myself, but I'm almost positive it is supported.


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Apr 22, 2018 00:52 |  #4

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range is a function of how sensitive both ends are, and also how much other Wifi signals are in the same space.
My M5 for example uses only 2.4GHz Wifi - which only has 3 channels that don't overlap, so it's often the case that neighbouring networks would compete in the same radio space.

What camera are you needing to extend the range on? some of Canon's range (notably 1DX) have Ethernet ports so it may be technically possible to connect a Wifi access-point to the Ethernet port via cable, and connect the phone to the access-point.

How far away do you need? Without interference from any other networks, Wifi should give you a line-of-sight range of at least 15 meters (about 49 feet)

Have the 5D IV, Google Pixel phone. Was trying to shoot at 200m and include myself in the frame along with recomps (rather, me moving through scene) but totally couldn't get far enough


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Apr 22, 2018 06:05 |  #5

200 m is out of the question for WiFi range under all circumstances except when using parabolic directional antennas, or similar equipment.
WiFi built into devices if further reduced, as it is in both the 5D Mark IV and your phone. A 1DX with WFT-E6 will have better range, as the WiFi module is external to the camera. But still no 200 m, espeically not to a phone at the other end.
With good, but still normal, antennas in a favorable environment, you may reach 100 m.


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Apr 22, 2018 19:25 |  #6

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200 m is out of the question for WiFi range under all circumstances except when using parabolic directional antennas, or similar equipment.
WiFi built into devices if further reduced, as it is in both the 5D Mark IV and your phone. A 1DX with WFT-E6 will have better range, as the WiFi module is external to the camera. But still no 200 m, espeically not to a phone at the other end.
With good, but still normal, antennas in a favorable environment, you may reach 100 m.

Sorry, typo. Was shooting at 200mm but was probably max 50m out? Seems after 10m or so, reliability is gone


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Apr 22, 2018 20:46 |  #7

Wi-Fi (Wireless Communication) FunctionInstruction Manual (external link)

Page 70 shows instructions for changing the access point's wifi channel.

You can get a wifi analyzer on your cell phone to be able to see what channels are least used in the area (looks like it's 2.4GHZ ranges). One factor that decreases wifi range is being on a common channel that other wireless devices are broadcasting on. But as pointed out, the 5D4's wifi is going to be physically limited since it doesn't have an antenna/or external module.


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Apr 23, 2018 03:02 |  #8

im away from home until thurs, but will try a second phone as a repeater (set as portable hotspot) to see if it works. 25m each hop should be possible....


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Apr 23, 2018 07:11 |  #9

These are very reliable as a shutter release and as simple flash triggers.

http://flashhavoc.com/​yongnuo-rf-603-ii-released/ (external link)

Recently shown to fire at 300 feet: https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=18596016

Heck of a lot easier than messing with rigged wifi.


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Apr 23, 2018 07:19 |  #10

Canon's ST-E3-RT can also be used to trigger the camera, if there's a flash on the camera (or the opposite). But "cheap" and "Canon" doesn't mix well too often...


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Apr 28, 2018 04:56 |  #11

Had a bit more of a play with my M5 Wifi connectivity options today, without much success.
Appears you can connect the camera to an access point, and you can connect your phone to the same access point, but there isn't any way to connect the Canon Camera Direct software to the camera once you have done so.

Seems like they've missed a quite useful function by not having the option to do this I would have thought.


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Apr 28, 2018 05:24 |  #12

This https://www.adorama.co​m/fpcrrn3.html?Categor​yID=68370 (external link) will work well but instead of wireless uses "radio" signals. I use a similar model out to about 100 feet and it is very reliable. The device comes under several brand names so if you don't have it as flashpoint look for the basic shape. You probably will find it as the Pixel TW-283 which has a specified range of 80 meters. See http://www.pixelhk.com​/products/show/148 (external link). Unfortunately not cheap, but also come with a lot of functionality beyond being just a shutter release.




  
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Apr 28, 2018 15:04 |  #13

Wireless Ethernet, aka WiFi, is of course also radio signals. Range is a question about transmiter power, frequency and antenna technology. I have a friend who for several years had a 6 km WiFi link to his remotely located home.


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Apr 29, 2018 23:46 |  #14

davesrose wrote in post #18611688 (external link)
Wi-Fi (Wireless Communication) FunctionInstruction Manual (external link)

Page 70 shows instructions for changing the access point's wifi channel.

You can get a wifi analyzer on your cell phone to be able to see what channels are least used in the area (looks like it's 2.4GHZ ranges). One factor that decreases wifi range is being on a common channel that other wireless devices are broadcasting on. But as pointed out, the 5D4's wifi is going to be physically limited since it doesn't have an antenna/or external module.


Reading from the manual (thanks Davesrose!) , the 5D4 is able to both connect to an access point, and communicate with a smartphone at the same time, so if a second phone is set up as a Wifi hotspot and permits traffic between two connected devices, then it should operate as a repeater...


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Nov 16, 2021 16:09 |  #15

You can...


  1. move the modem/WiFi transmitter up higher in the room/house
  2. use WiFi range extenders (repeaters) a.k.a. Wireless Access Points (WAP)
  3. use mesh WiFi network units
  4. use externally mounted antenna located up high


Someone else might suggest re-ordering the itemized list from least effective to most effective means of extending range.

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