Fuji X-E3 vs XT2 vs XPRO2

Two Hot Shoes wrote in post #18642695
Fujis first X Camera - you know, the retro looking ones - was a rangefinder (X100), as was their second (X-E1) & their third (X-PRO1)... It took them until 2014 to launch their first non rangefinder style X camera, the X-T1. Form the start it was always rangefinder first.

I don't think anyone one here need to be told by a manufacturer what camera is better for what if a rangefinder is more for someone it's great to have the options. I 100% believe that the X-PRO2 is much easier to get out of the way & I know for sure that the little cameras are a lot less intimidating for your subject.

Fijifilm, Sony, Panasonic, Olympus & of course Leica all make a rangefinder style body. Just Canon and Nikon left out in the cold there.

As for batteries I get about 400 shots per battery so one shoot can use up one battery, but there is always that percentage readout in the display informing me how I'm doing there. It's just so easy to swap out that tiny light battery I don't even think about it anymore. Really now trouble and I've never missed a shot due to a battery going down because I pay attention to what I'm doing when I shoot. I also shoot with more than one camera so there is also that, for me anyway. Haven't been caught out and never will.

Comparing the 2016 X-E2 (and not the X-E3?) to the latest version of the 6D is hardly a component statement, plus the 'new' 6D2 has an RRP of over twice the price of the Fuji X-E3 and a whole lot more than an X-E2 will cost you.

No one here knows what a new camera from Fuji will have, no one knows when a new camera will be launched, what battery it will have or what touch screen etc... It's all wishing and speculation, and then chasing the latest thing for whatever reason.

Alan I don't know where you read the report or press release about the X-H1 not selling as well as Fujifilm thought, care to share the source?

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Fuji X-E3 vs XT2 vs XPRO2


If you don't need good weather sealing and like a (really)small camera with good controls the X-E3 is a good bet. I've used one and it simple lovely in the hand - stick on a small lens like the bargain 27mm and you have a great little street camera.

If you are out in the weather a bit and want 'more' camera then either the XT or XP is good. Just find the fit. I know loads of shooter who moved to the X-PRO2 as the ergonomics are really nice but they might not be for you. I struggled a little at the start but quickly got use to them. Video has them matched for output as both will record 4K @100mpbs - the X-T2 can record to an external monitor and that is a huge plus if you are into video or, with the grip attached for almost 30 minutes, Plus you get a headphone jack. Of course all the cameras can be powered by a USB brick if you really feel the need to not bother changing batteries. If, for example, you were recording for a few hours in one take (??) otherwise it's really not a problem for most. Anyway for casual video a modern phone is most peoples best bet. Have a look at Filmic Pro for your phone, it's great.

Tilting rear screen and the really quite large EVF are big plusses for the XT line over the XP cameras.

Absolutely......

3 local store fronts 2 being big shops and 1 is a successful family operated Brick and Mortar shop. I know the managers and business owner very well. Casual talk I often ask them real time sales of gear that interest me.

General consensus of all 3 Stores is the Sales of the X-t2 was wildfire. The X-Pro2 was also a very popular body that was hard to keep in stock due to the pre order list. The X-H1 has been extremely slow and not much excitement whatsover. Shortly after the release of the X-H1 it wasn't hard to go to the store casually and just pick one up.

Take a gander at many Fuji lover sites and there is more talking about the love of the small form factor. I am also seeing more videographer's seeing the X-H1 as a nice attempt for Fuji to produce a video camera for demanding videographers. As I am not into video that much I don't see any real benefits especially with the current talk of failing firmware hiccups with the X-H1.

Kim we use what we like..... Rangefinders a fine with me. I've been thinking long and hard and the fact that I do use my fuji only for personal fun and travel. I can deal with a single battery setup as it's not a primary. Not sure how you can get 400 shots a battery!! I may pickup a Xpro2 used as my 11yrs old is now getting into photography.

Lucas asked if I owned a rangefinder. I commented that I did for a decent period of time. I'm not comparing an X-e2(s) 16MP sensor vs a Canon 6dmk2!

AlanU wrote in post #18642744
Lucas asked if I owned a rangefinder. I commented that I did for a decent period of time. I'm not comparing an X-e2(s) 16MP sensor vs a Canon 6dmk2!

AlanU wrote in post #18642616
I've owned the X-E2 with the new firmware 4.0 for a while. Drawback is single memory slot as there is no redundancy as well as an ineffective pinhole for a EVF. I sold it to a friend that wanted a camera that produces great IQ. Responsiveness and performance of the X-e2(s) is not on par with the Canon 6dmk2 Watson is using.

I get an easy 400 shots per charge & that is with high performance turned on. Battery lasts all day for casual shooting, I know I'm not alone there. That works out to a change of battery for every 16Gb of card you use up shooting raw+JPEGf. At a busy full day wedding I could fill up a 64Gb card well before the end of the day in one camera or 4 batteries, so with three cameras I bring plenty with me. If I'm just out and about one spare and one in the camera, just in case.

Batteries are not an issue for me either. If it runs out I change it. Big whoop.

AlanU wrote in post #18642616
Lucas, gear is all about preference and how it works with the individual. If Nikon, Canon and Panasonic felt the great need to meet the needs of public demand (professional and casual) they would be producing rangefinder style bodies like mad if it potentially increased camera sales. Is there advertisement / documentation from Olympus or Fuji to proclaim the incredible miraculous benefits in the rangefinder that will dramatically improve the communication between photog and client/Uncle Bob???? Maybe Leica has done such advertisements back in the day in the early 1900's????

What are you talking about?

Every mirrorless manufacturer makes a rangefinder styled body, Canon and Nikon are the only exceptions. Clearly there is a market for them. Beyond that, how is a manufacturer's marketing campaign the only evidence you'll take of a products usefulness?

AlanU wrote in post #18642616
I've owned the X-E2 with the new firmware 4.0 for a while. Drawback is single memory slot as there is no redundancy as well as an ineffective pinhole for a EVF. I sold it to a friend that wanted a camera that produces great IQ. Responsiveness and performance of the X-e2(s) is not on par with the Canon 6dmk2 Watson is using.

What does a single memory card slot have to do with a rangefinder layout? My X-Pro2 has 2 memory cards, in fact, it was the first Fuji body to have 2 card slots. The "pinhole" EVF has also been tried and true and pretty much industry standard for the past 5+ years, and not only with Fuji mind you... perhaps you need your eyes checked?

Again, what does responsiveness and performance have to do with a rangefinder layout? Also, why are you comparing an older and FAR cheaper model to a current higher market model?

AlanU wrote in post #18642616
Fuji developed their gear on the premise of RETRO look. This was their motive from the get go. To fit that "look" they threw in the rangefinder to make their line more appealing to folks wanting that "look". Olympus jump on the E-m5 "brick" retro look as well as their Pen F body.

I'm sorry, but you're just flat out wrong. The X100 was the first model from Fuji with a corner mounted EVF... it had it because it was a hybrid viewfinder, this couldn't be done in any other way which made sense. People loved it so much that they then made the X-Pro1 follow the same layout... guess what, people loved it. So then they made the X-E1 follow a similar layout, just minus the optical VF for a lower price point... again, people loved it.

The looks are icing on the cake. To make the argument that the X100 was built the way it was purely for looks is just flat out nonsense.

AlanU wrote in post #18642616
The X-Pro2 is great and I would own one if it had a battery booster pack and if it had more current technology for the price Fuji is charging at the moment. I'd have a hard time buying another New X-t2 or Xpro2 knowing the technology in the X-H1 is the current flagship. The X-t3 is coming sooner than many years later. Fuji must improve their performance as I think they are fully aware of the dominating force Sony has in the mirrorless world. Loyalty as well as investment in lenses in a fuji system can go so far. Fuji has to keep up with the aggressive trend of improvements. I think Fuji is doing all right.....

I've said this before, but seriously, you're a marketing team's wet dream

AlanU wrote in post #18642616
Watson, I'd just gamble and buy a used X-t2 or Xpro2 and call it a day. The X-h1 has not received the love fuji was hoping for in sales. However it appears the X-h1 has changed the price in the used market for the older X-t2, Xpro2 bodies.

Just do your research...... rumours are stating a better battery should be coming out with the X-t3. That alone is a bonus and about time! I can shoot all day long and chimp photos and have 50%++ left on my Sony A7iii. My Fuji with Battery pack (3 batteries) will eat through easy 2.5+ batteries or more. With a 6dmk2 you would not be thinking much about battery life issues.

How is that a "gamble"? They're both fantastic cameras, hard to go wrong with either one. Same can be said about the X-H1 if you like a larger body. Your assumption about sales figures has basically no bearing in reality.

You're the only person I can think of over the past year who's complained about the Fuji batteries... perhaps it's not the camera?

AlanU wrote in post #18642663
Knowing X-T3 is around the corner..... in Canada I couldn't spend $2199.00 CDN for a new X-t2 camera body that will have virtually everything replaced from high MP sensor, battery and very likely different AF performance. High iso performance (as well as literally everything else I've asserted about the next Fuji body) is definitely not known.

I fixed it for you

AlanU wrote in post #18642744
3 local store fronts 2 being big shops and 1 is a successful family operated Brick and Mortar shop. I know the managers and business owner very well. Casual talk I often ask them real time sales of gear that interest me.

General consensus of all 3 Stores is the Sales of the X-t2 was wildfire. The X-Pro2 was also a very popular body that was hard to keep in stock due to the pre order list. The X-H1 has been extremely slow and not much excitement whatsover. Shortly after the release of the X-H1 it wasn't hard to go to the store casually and just pick one up.

Take a gander at many Fuji lover sites and there is more talking about the love of the small form factor. I am also seeing more videographer's seeing the X-H1 as a nice attempt for Fuji to produce a video camera for demanding videographers. As I am not into video that much I don't see any real benefits especially with the current talk of failing firmware hiccups with the X-H1.

1st, if they're all local store fronts then they are all "brick and mortar" shops, just seemed redundant to me to add that at the end... but now that I'm done being pedantic ;

Demand for one body over the other has absolutely nothing to do with sales success. How do you know they didn't make the X-H1 with full knowledge that it wasn't going to sell as well as the X-Pro2 or X-T2? You don't know what their sales projections are, nor do you know how the cameras are selling in other markets, thus, you have no idea whether or not the X-H1 was successful for Fuji.

AlanU wrote in post #18642744
Kim we use what we like..... Rangefinders a fine with me. I've been thinking long and hard and the fact that I do use my fuji only for personal fun and travel. I can deal with a single battery setup as it's not a primary. Not sure how you can get 400 shots a battery!! I may pickup a Xpro2 used as my 11yrs old is now getting into photography.

That didn't take much time for you to flip your stance on that from your last post, huh?

Look Alan, everyone has an opinion, and it's great to see people discuss them... but please stop presenting so much of what you say as absolute fact

To me the choice comes down to if you like the SLR styling or Rangefinder styling.

The rangefinder styling is nice (and I own an X-E2) but I personally like the SLR styling better so I went with the X-T2. While an articulating screen on the x-t2 isn't always needed it is a very nice thing to have. But I do more landscape shooting so up hight and down low that screen comes in very handy.

See if you can find an x-pro (1 or 2) to try and see if you like that styling better.

Watson,

If your wanting to go all in Fuji. Do you want the "best"? If so at this moment in time the X-H1 is the dual processor flagship for the Fuji world. More responsive but marginally smaller than the 6dmk2. Uncertain if the current firmware is the cause of freezing.

Time to go to your local camera shop and play with both X-pro2 and X-t2. Virtually identical in performance. It's all about what feels good in your hands.

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #18642844
What are you talking about?


How is that a "gamble"? They're both fantastic cameras, hard to go wrong with either one. Same can be said about the X-H1 if you like a larger body. Your assumption about sales figures has basically no bearing in reality.

Reality is quite apparent if all 3 store fronts indicate very little excitement in the X-H1. #1 discussion loyal Fuji users is the loss of small form factor. I do not have number of unit sales figures but general consensus was all 3 shops did not see nearly as much X-H1 flying off the shelves. After initial release it wasn't difficult to buy a NIB unit on the shelf locally. Fuji fans still seek Xpro2 and Xt2 for the small form factor as that is what fuji has been known for.

You're the only person I can think of over the past year who's complained about the Fuji batteries... perhaps it's not the camera?

Plenty of talk all over the net about battery life in current fuji bodies. I guess you'll say the older generation A7s you owned didn't have small battery capacity issues (terrible 1020mAh). Poor battery life is obvious for such a small battery. The new Sony NP-FZ100 operates at a voltage of 7.2V/ 2280mAh. Fuji's battery is 7.4v/1260mAh. There is always room for improvement!!

Demand for one body over the other has absolutely nothing to do with sales success. How do you know they didn't make the X-H1 with full knowledge that it wasn't going to sell as well as the X-Pro2 or X-T2? You don't know what their sales projections are, nor do you know how the cameras are selling in other markets, thus, you have no idea whether or not the X-H1 was successful for Fuji.

That didn't take much time for you to flip your stance on that from your last post, huh?

I would purchase another fuji body if it's a pre-owned X-pro2. If the price is peanuts i may grab one. It's not a world apart from the X-t2. However it would be nice to see what the next gen X-t3 offers. Analyzing my uses I should just use the single battery setup and ditch the portrait orientation shutter button on the battery booster grip. The hobbyist fuji application should just carry a pocket full of batteries.

Look Alan, everyone has an opinion, and it's great to see people discuss them... but please stop presenting so much of what you say as absolute fact

In the small contributors in the fuji forum on POTN how many use X-H1. How many use X-H1 on facebook groups? Maybe it's time to take a fun poll.

AlanU wrote in post #18642981
In the small contributors in the fuji forum on POTN how many use X-H1. How many use X-H1 on facebook groups? Maybe it's time to take a fun poll.

You're still not getting this, are you?