Does mirrorless do anything for you?

Yup.

Like you, when someone mentions saving a pound of weight I think about carrying a chainsaw or weed eater around for a day. Or when my twin boys were really young. Now that is tiring. Carrying a DSLR is really pretty easy, for me. But I hadn't said it, until now. lol

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18688700
Yup.

Like you, when someone mentions saving a pound of weight I think about carrying a chainsaw or weed eater around for a day. Or when my twin boys were really young. Now that is tiring. Carrying a DSLR is really pretty easy, for me. But I hadn't said it, until now. lol

there are conflicting reports.

TS has stated: "No, I have never carried and used a camera for 12 hours straight, nor do I ever want to. I do photography for my pleasure."

this just shows you that it's a burden. If it gives you pleasure, why wouldn't you want to carry it around for 12 hours?

I've got kids, and there is no pleasure in carrying around said gear. Mirrorless is considerably easier to carry around thus far. 35 f2.8 on a belt pouch, and I'm good for any adventure, regardless of how many hours I walk or stand. 0 weight on my shoulders, minimal bulk so I'm not hitting people. This is not the only option btw, few other cameras fit this description.

I'm 65.. and other than back pain issues, I'm in very good health. I have no problem carrying my 1DX2 with the 100-400ii lens. I either have it on a Cinch 1 or a Loop 2... or I have it attached to a monopod. I mostly shoot wildlife, with a concentration on the large wading birds here in Florida.

I do think there will come a day when it will be more difficult for me to handle the weight. I don't know exactly what I'll do when I approach that bridge. I may just change the genres I shoot now and use a much lighter weight system. Mirrorless might be the way to go then, I don't really know. Or I could make a total change and go Leica... with people being my main focus. Who knows?

In any event, I am enjoying the process of educating myself on what's currently available. I like the learning process. I'm interested in those who have changed to Sony or Fuji and why.... plus the experiences they have using the gear. I think POTN is an invalueable source for these kinds of discussions.

nqjudo wrote in post #18688688
One member here goes on ad nauseam about how small and compact his mirrorless system is. Great but, I don't care. I was a full time athlete and I'm still very committed to fitness. My belief is that the day I have to worry about carrying a few extra pounds I'll have infinitely bigger problems than what camera I should buy

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18688700
Yup.

Like you, when someone mentions saving a pound of weight I think about carrying a chainsaw or weed eater around for a day. Or when my twin boys were really young. Now that is tiring. Carrying a DSLR is really pretty easy, for me. But I hadn't said it, until now. lol

I kind of mentioned this in a previous reply. I sort of condition myself to at least handle my camera gear. I Also wear heavy boots when I'm out photographing, and carry a good bit of water as well. To me it's the entry fee. I knew the weight was coming the more stuff I bought, but that's the price to having good equipment to make nice photos without concern for weather conditions, rugged travel if the opportunity arises, or ridiculously long days with my gear. Weight is so far down the list.

Phoenixkh wrote in post #18688733
I'm 65.. and other than back pain issues, I'm in very good health. I have no problem carrying my 1DX2 with the 100-400ii lens. I either have it on a Cinch 1 or a Loop 2... or I have it attached to a monopod. I mostly shoot wildlife, with a concentration on the large wading birds here in Florida.

I do think there will come a day when it will be more difficult for me to handle the weight. I don't know exactly what I'll do when I approach that bridge. I may just change the genres I shoot now and use a much lighter weight system. Mirrorless might be the way to go then, I don't really know. Or I could make a total change and go Leica... with people being my main focus. Who knows?

In any event, I am enjoying the process of educating myself on what's currently available. I like the learning process. I'm interested in those who have changed to Sony or Fuji and why.... plus the experiences they have using the gear. I think POTN is an invalueable source for these kinds of discussions.

Hats off to you sir.

Phoenixkh wrote in post #18688733
I'm 65.. and other than back pain issues, I'm in very good health. I have no problem carrying my 1DX2 with the 100-400ii lens. I either have it on a Cinch 1 or a Loop 2... or I have it attached to a monopod. I mostly shoot wildlife, with a concentration on the large wading birds here in Florida.

I do think there will come a day when it will be more difficult for me to handle the weight. I don't know exactly what I'll do when I approach that bridge. I may just change the genres I shoot now and use a much lighter weight system. Mirrorless might be the way to go then, I don't really know. Or I could make a total change and go Leica... with people being my main focus. Who knows?

In any event, I am enjoying the process of educating myself on what's currently available. I like the learning process. I'm interested in those who have changed to Sony or Fuji and why.... plus the experiences they have using the gear. I think POTN is an invalueable source for these kinds of discussions.

The thing is with super telephoto lengths unless you use a smaller format system, the size weight savings aren't there as the lenses are still big. The size weight advantages are achieved with ultra wide to normal focal lengths.

mystik610 wrote in post #18688741
The thing is with super telephoto lengths unless you use a smaller format system, the size weight savings aren't there as the lenses are still big. The size weight advantages are achieved with ultra wide to normal focal lengths.

I just don't see the size difference being as much as its made out to be -

https://www.apotelyt.c​om …ikon-d850-vs-sony-a7r-iii

Its not as if you can put a A7rIII into your pocket.

Bear Dale wrote in post #18688793
I just don't see the size difference being as much as its made out to be -

https://www.apotelyt.c​om …ikon-d850-vs-sony-a7r-iii

Its not as if you can put a A7rIII into your pocket.

I guess what is a negligible difference varies based on opinion.

nqjudo wrote in post #18688688
Holgoff... you miss my point entirely. I don't find your posts offensive. What I'm trying to say really (not necessarily entirely to you) is that even if an argument is valid there's no sense in trying to force feed it to people. The OP asked a simple question. Does mirrorless do anything for you? What is wrong with offering an answer and moving on without trying to poke holes in every argument that people offer as to why they prefer DSLR or are otherwise not interested in mirrorless? I was once convinced that I should move to mirrorless but it was a time consuming and costly mistake for me. I will never, ever understand why that irks people so much. Have we really reached the point in our society where people can no longer see that we own consumer electronics and not the other way around? A while back I saw a thread (in which you were not involved) where a member posted some shots with the explanation that he used camera x and y. Almost immediately a couple of members of the camera z club jumped in and started giving him business and attitude for not using their brand of camera. Valid points and arguments included but like YouTube reviews and DXO it all goes out the window when you get the camera in hand. I'll give you an example. One member here goes on ad nauseam about how small and compact his mirrorless system is. Great but, I don't care. I was a full time athlete and I'm still very committed to fitness. My belief is that the day I have to worry about carrying a few extra pounds I'll have infinitely bigger problems than what camera I should buy but I don't respond to those comments by telling people they should get in shape instead of whining about carrying and extra pound or two. It isn't my place or my business and I'm not in their shoes but not everyone shows similar sensitivity. Mirrorless proponents often suggest how a DSLR user can make the jump to mirrorless on a component by component basis with zero appreciation for the fact that not everyone can afford such a jump. In conclusion I'll re-state that I do not find you personally offensive. What is really at the heart of my argument is that the general rules of the forum are set out to shape a community that discusses and shares a common passion in the most thorn-free environment possible. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see how this constant badgering about the benefits of mirrorless fits into that model. If someone asked me what 2+2 is I tell them but I don't presume they want an entire math course.

Well I listed 3 things I find mirror less is great at for me and was instantly inundated with posts like I can carry a chainsaw all day...a DSLR weight is nothing. Or I can use the rear LCD for manual focus and this makes a much better EVF. Both these types of comments are totally garbage...and yes they came from people that don't see any value in mirror less cameras...so now who's on first I ask.

You even mention weight is not an issue for you...so what...for me it's one of the advantages of my mirror less setup...and isn't that what the OP asked.

So maybe you need to look closely at other comments, including your own, before throwing out your posts.

Charlie wrote in post #18688726
there are conflicting reports.

TS has stated: "No, I have never carried and used a camera for 12 hours straight, nor do I ever want to. I do photography for my pleasure."

this just shows you that it's a burden. If it gives you pleasure, why wouldn't you want to carry it around for 12 hours?

I've got kids, and there is no pleasure in carrying around said gear. Mirrorless is considerably easier to carry around thus far. 35 f2.8 on a belt pouch, and I'm good for any adventure, regardless of how many hours I walk or stand. 0 weight on my shoulders, minimal bulk so I'm not hitting people. This is not the only option btw, few other cameras fit this description.

i carry my Sony A7R along with the 35 2.8 on my belt using the PD clip. Not only is it light to carry, it is small enough not to bump into every brick wall I go by. No way would this work with my 5D2 camera and lens.

"they came from people that don't see any value in mirror less cameras"

I see value in mirrorless, I also see value in spelling it correctly.

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18688843
"they came from people that don't see any value in mirror less cameras"

I see value in mirrorless, I also see value in spelling it correctly.

Oh man...thanks for that spelling lecture. Maybe you should give what ever company automatically splits up mirrorless into mirror less whenever I type it a call and lecture them.

Thanks for your insights into the OP's question.

70-200 F2.8. The EVF refresh rate is certainly faster than the eye can see but that does not mean that it doesn't make a difference as does the not quite instant (well slower than the eye) exposure changes. These aspects of EVFs have improved dramatically in recent years and are distinctly better for many photographers, just not yet for me.
The grip for the Sony is not integral and I am not happy manhandling large lenses with a detachable grip - no issue for normal lenses.

Hogloff wrote in post #18688838
i carry my Sony A7R along with the 35 2.8 on my belt using the PD clip. Not only is it light to carry, it is small enough not to bump into every brick wall I go by. No way would this work with my 5D2 camera and lens.

What is there....about 1" in height difference?

I like to drag race but I certainly am not going to do it for 12 hours. I also like sex but again, not for 12 hours straight. I fail to see the logic in your rebuttal.

On a more serious note, a half pound in gear weight savings isn't really going to make a difference in the long run, not enough to keep trying to pound the point home.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18688871
I like to drag race but I certainly am not going to do it for 12 hours. I also like sex but again, not for 12 hours straight. I fail to see the logic in your rebuttal.

Well I love to travel to foreign lands and carry my camera and photograph for at least 12 hour days. Love to capture the culture of a place as it changes drastically from morning to midday to evenings.