Does mirrorless do anything for you?

Hogloff wrote in post #18688859
Thanks for your insights into the OP's question.

I have already given my insight.

https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=18679199

In fact I just got another "like" for it, woo-hoo! Probably the most liked post in the thread.

Fwiw, if you keep your phone from autocorrecting to "mirror less" a few times it should learn that you want to spell it as one word. On iOS you do this by clicking the word in quotes on the left above the keyboard.

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18688700
Yup.

Like you, when someone mentions saving a pound of weight I think about carrying a chainsaw or weed eater around for a day. Or when my twin boys were really young. Now that is tiring. Carrying a DSLR is really pretty easy, for me. But I hadn't said it, until now. lol

Well I can carry around my RZ67PROII outfit or my 5x7" Sinar Norma all day with ease, so what? It's still way more comfortable carrying the A6000 and 12, 24 and 60mm lenses. Just because I'm exercising a d lifting weights etc it mean I have to carry around needless bulk and weight when I don't have to

soeren wrote in post #18688954
Well I can carry around my RZ67PROII outfit or my 5x7" Sinar Norma all day with ease, so what? It's still way more comfortable carrying the A6000 and 12, 24 and 60mm lenses. Just because I'm exercising a d lifting weights etc it mean I have to carry around needless bulk and weight when I don't have to

Why carry an a6000 when an iPhone will do just fine? I mean, you want to save the most weight right?

Mbell1975 wrote in post #18688956
Why carry an a6000 when an iPhone will do just fine? I mean, you want to save the most weight right?

I don't like IPhone

Mbell1975 wrote in post #18688956
Why carry an a6000 when an iPhone will do just fine? I mean, you want to save the most weight right?

And why use an af system when you can just manually focus everything

elitejp wrote in post #18688967
And why use an af system when you can just manually focus everything

And why use a camera at all when you can just draw what you see on the walls in a cave?

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18688871
I like to drag race but I certainly am not going to do it for 12 hours. I also like sex but again, not for 12 hours straight. I fail to see the logic in your rebuttal.

On a more serious note, a half pound in gear weight savings isn't really going to make a difference in the long run, not enough to keep trying to pound the point home.

sex isn’t physically possible for that amount of time, and drag racing can easily last all day. It can also be a stressing and financial issue.

My landscape sessions are typically 2 hours, but have had much longer sessions as well. I’ve taken all day tours to the Grand Canyon, there were plenty of people with ILC’s. Same with Disneyland, universal studios, etc. Quite common to carry all day long.

It’s not only the weight but bulk. Those precious inches here and there all the sudden become uncomfortable quickly. Same with many ounces. Holstering gear on my belts have warped a few of them. I had to eventually invest in a gun belt which works wonderfully. I have tried the smallest possible canon combo, 6D + 40stm. Results are satisfactory, but an inch here, and there, and some grams, it adds up. Your selection of micro bags drop significantly due to those inches. Think tank digital holsters 5 and 10, won’t be able to House any DSLR body. My latest lowepro Dashpoint 30, a glove like fit for the R3 + 35, amazing way to carry , when peak clip not desired. Love my gear being hidden.

To the previous poster saying size isn’t much, what’s the difference 5x7 not much different from 4x6, but doing the math, around 50 percent increase is sort of a big deal.

Oh I would like to have the best gear that I can afford. But i was replying to an individual who advocates focus and recompose over sonys aye af.

mystik610 wrote in post #18688741
The thing is with super telephoto lengths unless you use a smaller format system, the size weight savings aren't there as the lenses are still big. The size weight advantages are achieved with ultra wide to normal focal lengths.

Yeah... and I can see myself heading in that direction when it's a struggle to handle the larger cameras and lenses.

Charlie wrote in post #18688976
sex isn’t physically possible for that amount of time.

I once knew a girl .........

Oh and Charlie....did I get you pregnant?

I drag race, it isn't an all day affair, sorry, and it wouldn't be fun any longer if I had to do a burnout, stage, race, circle around, cool off the car in the staging lane, and repeat for 12 hours. Some can do the other activity as well for long periods of time, not all of us are able to sustain that however but it isn't fair to say NO ONE can do it.

Not sure why you want to play into Hogloff's drama like you are, but I appreciate you admitting you have never held a camera in the hands for 12 hours as the he overly and dramatically points out as being a commonplace occurrence and primary reason MILC is so very necessary for everyone, and you then parrot also as a reason. Thank you for that confirmation.

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Mirrorless is a tool like many other things, nothing more. It doesn't make a system better inherently, it is just another "choice" you have available now. If in the past, your physical abilities or time behind a camera causes fatigue or pain, now you have a slightly lighter and smaller package to make the same photos as before. That is wonderful, we are blessed to be in such a time with so many great choices in cameras, features, lenses (even 3rd party glass is quite good).

However there is a proper way to state this and there are improper ways.

One way is to say "For me, xyz is better because.... but I understand that may not be a factor for others and I can respect that".

The other way is "xyz is better for everyone, because when I do this or that, which I presume everyone else also does, then everyone's life is better for what xyz brings to the table. I will take anyone to task if they dare say anything seemingly negative toward xyz".

It should be obvious which way is more conducive to civil discussions vs antagonistic/being a jerk. If not, I put smilies where needed to clarify. I doubt it will change anything, some become very refractory in their old age.

Those size comparisons do a poor job of representing the actual experience of carrying a compact mirrorless vs even a smaller dslr, as mirrorless cameras, for better or worse, are much smaller in person.

It's all about the shooting experience not comparison photos. And while a mirrorless camera won't fit in your pockets it's a lot easier to manage than a full fledged dslr. Also, the shorter flanges distance means that the ultra wide, wide, and normal focal length lenses you'd carry for travel, family or casual outings are much more compact than equivalent DSLR lenses.

The lenses I use professionally are huge, but when out casually I carry a lightweight setup that doesn't ever feel like a bother. My typical setup when out with the family is the a7riii with the very compact 50 1.8. When going on photo walks to shoot street and architecture I carry the very compact, but optically superlative zeiss lexis 21. I carry the cam on a peak design capture clip holster so it's very easy to manage. I.e. I can sit down with the camera holstered... which is something I couldn't do with a dslr.

My lightweight travel gear is an SL2 and small zoom. It is quite compact and light, but also is a DSLR. Of course not a FF, but for a crop, it is quite capable and produces great results even at high ISO. The SL2 is about the same weight as the A73R and is smaller by 10 cubic inches if internet specs are correct.

However, IMO it is too small actually. I hate having my fingers hang off the camera, and I have to contort my thumb to hit some of the buttons. So a Sony MILC might be better because it would be bigger!

Overall the SL2 did respectably well even at ISO 6400 at our last vacation, and it fit in my wife's purse which was nice too.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18689116
I drag race, it isn't an all day affair, sorry, and it wouldn't be fun any longer if I had to do a burnout, stage, race, circle around, cool off the car in the staging lane, and repeat for 12 hours. Some can do the other activity as well for long periods of time, not all of us are able to sustain that however but it isn't fair to say NO ONE can do it.

Not sure why you want to play into Hogloff's drama like you are, but I appreciate you admitting you have never held a camera in the hands for 12 hours as the he overly and dramatically points out as being a commonplace occurrence and primary reason MILC is so very necessary for everyone, and you then parrot also as a reason. Thank you for that confirmation.

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Mirrorless is a tool like many other things, nothing more. It doesn't make a system better inherently, it is just another "choice" you have available now. If in the past, your physical abilities or time behind a camera causes fatigue or pain, now you have a slightly lighter and smaller package to make the same photos as before. That is wonderful, we are blessed to be in such a time with so many great choices in cameras, features, lenses (even 3rd party glass is quite good).

However there is a proper way to state this and there are improper ways.

One way is to say "For me, xyz is better because.... but I understand that may not be a factor for others and I can respect that".

The other way is "xyz is better for everyone, because when I do this or that, which I presume everyone else also does, then everyone's life is better for what xyz brings to the table. I will take anyone to task if they dare say anything seemingly negative toward xyz".

It should be obvious which way is more conducive to civil discussions vs antagonistic/being a jerk. If not, I put smilies where needed to clarify. I doubt it will change anything, some become very refractory in their old age.

Teamspeed, I never once said everyone carries their camera for 12 hours at a time...I said I do. But I see enough people asking what small camera should they buy for travel to see that a big DSLR being dragged around while one travels for how many hours in the day becomes a pain in the ass due to its weight and bulk.

Much of my photography comes from travel where my gear is with me 100% of the time, camera on my wrist or attached to my belt ready to take photos. Saving 40% of the weight of my gear by ditching DSLR's and going mirrorless was a HUGE benefit of the mirrorless world...one of the reasons I decided to look at mirrorless.

You may not think weight reduction is a benefit because YOU don't use your gear for extended times...but please respect other people's use to be different than yours and stop your ridiculing my views.