Does mirrorless do anything for you?

"He who says dual slots and 4K video is for amateurs soon shows himself to be more so the amateur."

- Confucius, 590BC

Charlie wrote in post #18699916
Face detect = nose AF

I recall Mbell predicting a stacked sensor, faster AF, faster frame rate, better video Canon monster....

I guess we can focus on abnormally large, low selling, niche lenses or the m50

There is one more day to go.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18699820
I've been hoping for IBIS for almost 20 years!
I know Canon likely will never do it, which is too bad.

I guess if I want my 135L stabilized I have to buy a SONY and an adapter.

Skip the adapter, Jake--this combo is fantastic!

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bobbyz wrote in post #18700109
There is one more day to go.

The Canon FF mirrorless has been rumored to have 1 memory slot. I'm passing on this first revision simply due to that serious intentional cost savings. I think I'll be ramping up my Sony setup till Canon's REV 2 or 3 comes out.

mickeyb105 wrote in post #18700141
Skip the adapter, Jake--this combo is fantastic!

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That’s probably the most underrated set-up ever.

Not sure if you remember, but I had an a99II briefly on loan from Sony Professional Services when I sold my a9 and was waiting for delivery of the a7rIII. Shot a wedding on that thing and it’s a beast of a camera that combines the best of the DSLR and Mirrorless worlds.

And as you know, I’m a huge fan of the 135 f1.8 ZA. Easily my favorite portrait lens. Really sharp wide open, great Zeiss colors and microcontrast, and spectacular bokeh.….its a shame that the old-school screw drive AF of that lens doesn’t play well with adapters. IQ made it worthwhile as a MF lens though!

mystik610 wrote in post #18700150
That’s probably the most underrated set-up ever.

Not sure if you remember, but I had an a99II briefly on loan from Sony Professional Services when I sold my a9 and was waiting for delivery of the a7rIII. Shot a wedding on that thing and it’s a beast of a camera that combines the best of the DSLR and Mirrorless worlds.

And as you know, I’m a huge fan of the 135 f1.8 ZA. Easily my favorite portrait lens. Really sharp wide open, great Zeiss colors and microcontrast, and spectacular bokeh.….its a shame that the old-school screw drive AF of that lens doesn’t play well with adapters. IQ made it worthwhile as a MF lens though!

I'm not sure how I forgot about your a99ii test drive, bud I definitely did. Maybe this is the year I try to join SPS...

Your recommendation was a big reason why I bought the 135ZA, as your experience with top-shelf portrait glass is substantial.

That said, I find your work with the Sigma 135A to be oh-so-close to your output with the ZA. It reminds me of various threads/samples I've seen from the Nikon vs Canon 200/2 and Nikon vs Sigma 105 f1.4. The gear is so good*, IQ potential is capped by the shooter/post-processor.**

*that Eye AF, tho...
**pulling from the shadows matters

Charlie wrote in post #18699916
I recall Mbell predicting a stacked sensor, faster AF, faster frame rate, better video Canon monster....

Thats going to be on the upcoming pro model that will compete with the a9. Why would they put that kind of superior tech in a sub $2k camera? That aren't stupid like Sony who canabalized sales of their higher end cameras with the release of the a7iii. However, Sony had no choice but to do that because they knew Canon and Nikon were coming for them this year. As Ive said before, Sony can afford to throw a ton of features in a $2k camera because they make most their money off gaming consoles, video games, their movie studio and their massive contract to make sensors for Apple. Canon and Nikon dont have that luxury.

Mbell1975 wrote in post #18700271
Thats going to be on the upcoming pro model that will compete with the a9. Why would they put that kind of superior tech in a sub $2k camera? That aren't stupid like Sony who canabalized sales of their higher end cameras with the release of the a7iii. However, Sony had no choice but to do that because they knew Canon and Nikon were coming for them this year. As Ive said before, Sony can afford to throw a ton of features in a $2k camera because they make most their money off gaming consoles, video games, their movie studio and their massive contract to make sensors for Apple. Canon and Nikon dont have that luxury.

moving goal posts

What's it to me if Sony cannibalizes their own system?

I simply want the best I can get for my money. Sony is 2-3 generations ahead of Canon and Nikon, so duh, my next camera purchase will be another Sony. Tell me why I or anyone would settle for less? 2-3 generations is a long time to shoot unsatisfactory gear.

I'll be waiting for that stacked sensor, be sure to wake me up when it comes.

Canon's imaging devision makes up 27.8% of it's total business, that includes cameras and printers, including large format. Canon had a total net sales of $36,106,327 Thousand USD for 2017.

Sony probably released a $2k camera to help capture late second stage customers as well as to help accelerate the third section as that is the peak. The gateway camera, a camera that will ensure Sony push the critical mass threshold as early as possible. There would have been little (relatively) investment in producing the A73 but the effect of closing the gap in it's product line (a $2k camera) will allow a greater increase in profit throughout the brand.

A little unfair. Sometimes its because they care - that their clients get a quality product. They may know they can get the right exposure, but they don't know if the bride or groom blinked, of if crazy cousin larry decided to photo-bomb a portrait shot. I do personally like that I don't need to chimp with an EVF - I can choose to have the images in the evf display for a second - or not. But chirping doesn't necessarily mean you are an ammeter and unsure of your skills... it could... but not necessarily.

I do find it funny that some photographers - no names mentioned - who shoot everything on a tripod in their home studio don't understand the value of IBIS. Makes me giggle. These arguments are so nauseating. There is no one way to shoot.... there is no one best equipment to use. And there is no one best camera company. Oh well.

Mbell1975 wrote in post #18700271
Thats going to be on the upcoming pro model that will compete with the a9. Why would they put that kind of superior tech in a sub $2k camera? That aren't stupid like Sony who canabalized sales of their higher end cameras with the release of the a7iii. However, Sony had no choice but to do that because they knew Canon and Nikon were coming for them this year. As Ive said before, Sony can afford to throw a ton of features in a $2k camera because they make most their money off gaming consoles, video games, their movie studio and their massive contract to make sensors for Apple. Canon and Nikon dont have that luxury.

That is totally not how business works. My company makes cars, trucks, buses and other stuff. We don't sell one product line at a structural loss just because we have other business units. We are in every business unit to make money in that sector, period.

A big company can absorb short term losses to penetrate a sector or get into new tech, but I guarantee nobody at Sony is thinking "Eh, it's OK if the camera business loses money because we can make it up on Playstations and movies." That is not how companies operate.

Two Hot Shoes wrote in post #18700327
Canon had a total net sales of $36,106,327 Billion USD for 2017.

That seems impossibly high to me. Or perhaps it just isn't written correctly. If you spell out "billion USD", then the dollar sign in front of the number is redundant (or vice versa).

The way it is written, it makes it seem as if you are saying that Canon's 2017 net sales totaled thirty six million billion ...... in which case I wonder why you wouldn't just say 36 quadrillion or quintillion or whatever it works out to. Is their net sales total really that high?

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18700361
That seems impossibly high to me. Or perhaps it just isn't written correctly. If you spell out "billion USD", then the dollar sign in front of the number is redundant (or vice versa).

The way it is written, it makes it seem as if you are saying that Canon's 2017 net sales totaled thirty six million billion ...... in which case I wonder why you wouldn't just say 36 quadrillion or quintillion or whatever it works out to. Is their net sales total really that high?

Taken directly from Canon annual statement:
Total = 4,080,015 "Millions of" YEN, up 3.7% over 2016
Imaging System Business unit = 27.8%, 1,136,118 "Millions of" YEN (assuming USD1 = 111 Yen, about 36.7 Billion USD)

"Operating profit for the Imaging System Business Unit in
2017 increased by 21.8% from the previous year to ¥175,913
million, owing to the improvement in profitability from the
sales shift to high-added-value models in cameras, along with
the positive effects of favorable currency exchange rates."

operating profit of 175,913,000,000 Yen, or about USD 1,584,801,801, up 21.8% over 2016

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18700361
That seems impossibly high to me. Or perhaps it just isn't written correctly. If you spell out "billion USD", then the dollar sign in front of the number is redundant (or vice versa).

The way it is written, it makes it seem as if you are saying that Canon's 2017 net sales totaled thirty six million billion ...... in which case I wonder why you wouldn't just say 36 quadrillion or quintillion or whatever it works out to. Is their net sales total really that high?

Gotcha, here was me trying to be nice with some info, thank goodness it only an internet post on a forum that'll be read by a few people and not a press release for a major company, cause someone might actually care then


Yep that should have read 'thousand USD' I'll go correct it just in case.

JeffreyG wrote in post #18700358
A big company can absorb short term losses to penetrate a sector or get into new tech, but I guarantee nobody at Sony is thinking "Eh, it's OK if the camera business loses money because we can make it up on Playstations and movies." That is not how companies operate.

This got me to wondering what segments Sony has. Interestingly, seems like their largest growth recently is semiconductors. And this figure is in billions (IMO, $36.1 billion is a lot easier to read...even if it's glossing over the smaller percentage remaining 6 million)

Sony's revenue worldwide by segment fiscal years 2012 to 2017

Seems their weakest market now is mobile. Their imaging division has been slowly rebounding from production snags from the Kumamoto earthquakes.

Sony's business stabilizes with strong PS4 game sales