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POLL: "What do you think - Does the G series have a mechanical shutter or not?"
NO! Only DSLRs have a mechanical shutter. Digicams start and end readout from the sensor...
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What do you think - Does the G series have a mechanical shutter or not?

 
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Mar 21, 2006 08:52 |  #1

So ... continued from this thread:

Some people here believe that the G series does have a mechanical shutter in front of the sensor, others think that only DSLRs do have such an assembly.

Some of the arguments used by both camps ...

'No shutter' fraction:
- It wouldn't have life preview then
- it doesn't make a noise when set to 'silent'

'Mechanical shutter' fractions:
- Yes, it does make a tiny noise when taking an image
- How should long time noise reduction work then?

so ... what do you think?

I make it an open poll...
... and sorry if I have wasted your time :lol:

Hopefully Mr. Canon will step in at some time in order to resolve the issue without doubt...

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Mar 21, 2006 10:43 |  #2

Yes it does

Read the manual page 193

Mechanical + electronic shutter

Don't ask me how Probably is normally open, Closes, opens to take picture closes, opens again to view... like the Hasselblad. that would be why normal flash is limited to 250th second.

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Mar 21, 2006 11:00 |  #3

Very interesting.

Thanks for stepping in so fast, Mr. Canon :D
Although you do spoil my nice poll...

Now the only thing to explain is how live preview works...

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Mar 21, 2006 12:50 |  #4

:)
Love the poll!

So, re: live preview, why wouldn't the camera just hold the shutter open at any time the live preview was enabled? Am I missing something about how sensors work, and how they switch from constant reading for preview to reading for a picture? I thought it'd just be as simple as simultaneously closing the shutter and adjusting the aperture, then opening and closing the shutter for the correct duration, and once done, opening it back up again for preview?
Hmm. Now I'll have to count clicks when I get home.


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Mar 21, 2006 13:17 |  #5

I assume the shutter is always open ... until you take the image. And then you have to wait for 3 seconds until the image is written to the CF card, anyway.

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Mar 21, 2006 13:21 as a reply to  @ Andy_T's post |  #6

It does, if you take a picture of your face you'll see it opening and closing.

You can also hear it closing when you switch off live-preview and, of course, when you take a photo.

And I'm not talking about the extra sounds you can programme in either.




  
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Mar 21, 2006 13:37 |  #7

To confirm what others have said, here's what I found on a website:

"In traditional cameras the shutter is a mechanical arrangement using a few metal slats, which can be opened as a hole in the objective. The hole is shut while there is no photographing so that no light at all can force its way into the film. When an image is taken, the slats flick quickly to the side and back again. In this short space of time, while there is light in the objective, the film is exposed.

"We also find a shutter function in digital cameras, although it doesn’t work in quite the same way. There is normally a constant “hole” in the objective, so that the image sensor is exposed all the time. If this wasn’t the case then we wouldn’t be able to see the subject on the LCD screen. It continuously receives signals from the image sensor so that we can see the subject through the lens (TTL).

"In small ordinary digital cameras a mechanical shutter does not, in fact, regulate exposure time. The image sensor does this by itself; it can be programmed to gather light for a certain period. There is quite a lot of flexibility here, for example, many cameras work with a stepless variable shutter speed such as 1/148 sekund.

"The shutter speed can be 1/10.000 second, when an image sensor controls the time. Few mechanical shutters can work as fast.

"It is first when the exposure is complete that the mechanical shutter closes. Then the image sensor can discharge its data in the dark. A shutter closes too, by the way, if the LCD screen is shut down, and when the camera is turned off."




  
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Mar 21, 2006 13:54 |  #8

Great info, MM!
I'm trying to imagine what I'd use a 1/10,000 exposure for. Yow.


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Mar 21, 2006 14:55 as a reply to  @ superkully's post |  #9

superkully wrote:
It does, if you take a picture of your face you'll see it opening and closing.

what if i dont have a face? :(

dbump wrote:
I'm trying to imagine what I'd use a 1/10,000 exposure for. Yow.

´
first thing that springs to my mind would be some guy welding metal. That flame is SUPER bright!


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Mar 21, 2006 15:12 |  #10

Having just done some welding (edit: TIG, not gas torch), and being told that I need to wear long sleeves so as not to get instant sunburn, I don't think I want to expose my sensor to that kind of light for even that short a duration. You've probably seen the classic sensor burn example, of the guy with a nikon who did a time lapse of sunset, and now has a permanent black arc on all his images?


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Mar 22, 2006 02:36 as a reply to  @ dbump's post |  #11

dbump wrote:
You've probably seen the classic sensor burn example, of the guy with a nikon who did a time lapse of sunset, and now has a permanent black arc on all his images?

nope : ( I have not seen this. I never knew sensors could be burnt in such a way. I have not heard that before. I best be careful, as I like to take shots of the sun. I always use the ND filter, or more recently, a series of grad filters, hmm.. I wonder if I am still damaging my sensor :(...


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Mar 22, 2006 05:35 as a reply to  @ andrewaaa5's post |  #12

andrewaaa5 wrote:
what if i dont have a face? :(

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Sorry dude, I wasn't thinking about the facially deficent amongst us. What I meant was take a photo of your eyes...

If you don't have eyes either, well, you must be photography's Beethoven.

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Mar 22, 2006 08:04 as a reply to  @ superkully's post |  #13

Here's the link:
http://www.philohome.c​om/skyshooter/burning_​ccd.htm (external link)
It does require extended exposure, but good to be careful about extreme light sources.


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Mar 22, 2006 11:21 as a reply to  @ dbump's post |  #14

dbump wrote:
Here's the link:
http://www.philohome.c​om/skyshooter/burning_​ccd.htm (external link)
It does require extended exposure, but good to be careful about extreme light sources.

ok, gotcha. thanks for sharing. i am presuming the fella (or lady..) had the live preview mode on for the duration of the snapping thus exposing the CCD all the time.


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Mar 22, 2006 11:33 |  #15

I assume so too. A normal exposure of the sun certainly isn't damaging.


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