6D vs 6D mk II

So after almost 10 years, decided to upgrade from my 5D. Biggest reason is for high ISO capability due to majority of photos now being family and toddler aged photos, would be nice to not need to carry the flash for trips and other things. Ive read lots of reviews and comparisons, and I have (sparingly) shot with a borrowed 6D. My question is for those who have/had both.

Was the mkII worth the extra money? I like the upgraded focus points, Im curious if it was a notable difference for you, and if you felt that there was a file quality difference from the updated sensor? Ive gotten by pretty well with my 5D and still use it fine for portraits, but faster auto focus and high iso are the two upgrades Im really looking for.

ISO is virtually identical.

Focusing speed is virtually identical.

Overall focusing is much improved with the II.

Get a used 6D now, and use it for a few months. Around black friday, decide if you want to sell it and get in on any number of deals with the 6D2 if the 6D just isn't enough for you. You won't be out that much really, and if you lose $200 in the deal, that is only a $15 weekly rental fee. By that time Canon will have announced a FF mirrorless and people will be dumping gear to get in on that and you should be able to land a nice deal on a 6D2, 5D3 and 5D4.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18685448
By that time Canon will have announced a FF mirrorless and people will be dumping gear to get in on that and you should be able to land a nice deal on a 6D2, 5D3 and 5D4.

That would be amazing but its never going to happen. I can't see people having fire sales on quality DSLRs that hold their value just because they want to get a mirrorless Canon.

Mbell1975 wrote in post #18686278
That would be amazing but its never going to happen. I can't see people having fire sales on quality DSLRs that hold their value just because they want to get a mirrorless Canon.

My assessment is based on over a decade of watching and playing the DSLR market. The 6D2 isn't a good seller to begin with, and a good FF mirrorless will be better than the 6D2, and thus the 6D2 will indeed be dropped by many at good used prices. Those that haven't moved to Sony are just waiting to see what Canon announces. Either way, if Canon doesn't give us what we want or if they do, I see many 6D and 6D2 being sold off to either move to Sony or Canon FF mirrorless. FredMiranda and POTN will have a decent number of 6D2 for sale either way, coupled with Canon doing a great sale on their refurbs around Thanksgiving.

Mbell1975 wrote in post #18686278
That would be amazing but its never going to happen. I can't see people having fire sales on quality DSLRs that hold their value just because they want to get a mirrorless Canon.

Supply and demand is Econ101. Fewer people wanting a constant supply drops prices. Fewer people wanting an increasing supply drops prices faster/further. The further prices drop, to a point, the more people will sell them, dropping prices even further. The drop only stops when the item in question is deemed worth more to throw it in the closet than sell it, or not worth enough to bother selling.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18686316
My assessment is based on over a decade of watching and playing the DSLR market. The 6D2 isn't a good seller to begin with, and a good FF mirrorless will be better than the 6D2, and thus the 6D2 will indeed be dropped by many at good used prices. Those that haven't moved to Sony are just waiting to see what Canon announces. Either way, if Canon doesn't give us what we want or if they do, I see many 6D and 6D2 being sold off to either move to Sony or Canon FF mirrorless. FredMiranda and POTN will have a decent number of 6D2 for sale either way, coupled with Canon doing a great sale on their refurbs around Thanksgiving.

Purely your opinion on the 6DII, many people have bought it and liked it and it just won some big award for camera of the year over in Europe. Anyhoo, you also mentioned 5D3s and 5D4s being available for great deals. Very wishful thinking, not gonna happen just because Canon releases a FF mirrorless. I hope you're right and I can score a 5DIV for like $1800 or a 5Ds for $2k but we all know thats never going to happen. No one is that dumb to sell that cheap and they aren't going to have fire sales on very nice DSLRs just because Canon releases a FF mirrorless and they want to switch. I think much more realistically people will take a wait and see approach. I dont see a mass of early adopters, especially those perfectly happy with their DSLRs. Even if they do grab one in the first 6 months its out, I seriously doubt they sell their trusty DSLR until they are fully sold on the new camera which could take awhile. It will be at least a year or so after its release before we start seeing a larger shift towards it, thats IF we do at all, and even at that, its not going to render great DSLRs like a 5DIV or a 6DII useless to the point people start giving them away.

Not just my opinion, a well documented view from across the web. The 6D2 has had the fastest price drop of any of Canon's FF offerings in its first year, and the A73 kills the 6D2 in specs, thus why so many moved over to Sony. Others, like me, are very invested in Canon and hope for a great FF mirrorless.

Every time Canon announced a new camera, there are always a mass of early adopters. Your ignorance of the ebb and flow of Canon offerings and what those offerings do on the existing models is showing.

Currently you can get the 6D2 from Canon for $1450. Around Thanksgiving, that is going to drop somewhere around $200 more. On the used market, you can find the 5D4 for around $2300, so it is conceivable to find a 5D4 around $2000 sometime later this year. However, the price drops of the 5D4 will be lower than the 6D2 because it is in a different league and there is nothing to replace it just yet.

A new FF mirrorless that comes close to competing with the A73 will indeed cause several to drop their entry level FF DSLRs.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18686383
Not just my opinion, a well documented view from across the web. The 6D2 has had the fastest price drop of any of Canon's FF offerings in its first year, and the A73 kills the 6D2 in specs, thus why so many moved over to Sony. Others, like me, are very invested in Canon and hope for a great FF mirrorless.

Not sure how you can compare the 6D2 to the A73, which is about twice the price. You do have some dichotomy now in going up to a higher price level for full fledged FF mirrorless. The drop in prices with the 6D2 probably have more to do with competition from Nikon: which offers three tiers of FF DSLRs that have better specs then the 6D2.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18686383
Every time Canon announced a new camera, there are always a mass of early adopters. Your ignorance of the ebb and flow of Canon offerings and what those offerings do on the existing models is showing.

Really? I dont seem to recall a ton of 60Ds and 7Ds going up for sale as masses of early adopters were clamoring to buy the Canon EOS M when it came out in 2012, nor do I remember a bunch of 70Ds and 7DIIs going up for sale as hoards of people ran out to buy the M2 a few years later. Your ignorance and overstating of how people react to new Canon offerings is showing....Oh and if what you claim were correct, the 6D wouldn't be outselling the 6DII and the 5DIII wouldn't be outselling the 5DIV. The vast majority of consumers like cheap and they like bargains more than they do new tech and plenty are happy to stay a generation behind and take advantage of deals.

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TeamSpeed wrote in post #18686383
Not just my opinion, a well documented view from across the web. The 6D2 has had the fastest price drop of any of Canon's FF offerings in its first year, and the A73 kills the 6D2 in specs, thus why so many moved over to Sony. Others, like me, are very invested in Canon and hope for a great FF mirrorless.

Information from CIPA as of May 2018 was that digital camera sales volumes overall are down, particularly digital cameras with built in lenses.
dSLR volume is down as well, although not as precipitous a drop as digital cameras with built in lenses.
ILC (mirrorless, with interchangeable lenses) volume has been relatively FLAT (stagnant) since 2012 thru to current year, with usually <400k units shipped each quarter! Canon and Nikon getting into mirrorless is therefore (so far at least) NOT buying into a GROWTH market, but merely getting a piece of the action in the mirrorless market (hurting Sony by doing so...Sony and ILC in general has NOT been winning share units, the ILC percentage share is growing but NOT total UNITS! In fact, its Imaging Products business sold less in the most recent year that in 2016. Unit sales are down, -28% compared to 2016. From the Form 20-F...

"The operating performance of the IP&S segment for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2018 reflected shrinking markets for compact digital cameras, consumer video cameras and interchangeable lens cameras. In this environment, Sony continued to strengthen its high value-added products, such as interchangeable lens cameras and lenses, and focus on high-end models within its product portfolio of compact digital cameras and consumer video cameras. Sony intends to continue these initiatives in the fiscal year ending March 31, 2019."

Mbell1975 wrote in post #18686369
Purely your opinion on the 6DII, many people have bought it and liked it and it just won some big award for camera of the year over in Europe. Anyhoo, you also mentioned 5D3s and 5D4s being available for great deals. Very wishful thinking, not gonna happen just because Canon releases a FF mirrorless. I hope you're right and I can score a 5DIV for like $1800 or a 5Ds for $2k but we all know thats never going to happen. No one is that dumb to sell that cheap and they aren't going to have fire sales on very nice DSLRs just because Canon releases a FF mirrorless and they want to switch. I think much more realistically people will take a wait and see approach. I dont see a mass of early adopters, especially those perfectly happy with their DSLRs. Even if they do grab one in the first 6 months its out, I seriously doubt they sell their trusty DSLR until they are fully sold on the new camera which could take awhile. It will be at least a year or so after its release before we start seeing a larger shift towards it, thats IF we do at all, and even at that, its not going to render great DSLRs like a 5DIV or a 6DII useless to the point people start giving them away.

I will sell you a 5Ds for $1900.00 right now.

The a73 is not twice the 6d2, in fact their initial list price at inception are the same, but the 6d2 being a bit older is a few hundred less now. Perhaps you are thinking of something else. I also have active in the a73 thread, and there are many diehard Canon fans that have moved to that body over the 6d2. It is a very obvious movement in fact across the boards. This is why 2018 is critical for Canon to have a home run in regards to a ff mirror less.

But that is a topic for another thread, my point is only that if rumors hold and Canon does indeed announce something, people will indeed drop their 6d2 for that, and 6d2 prices, due to that move and the holidays, will drop. Get a 6d now, sell later and get a 6d2 at lower prices in a few months.

Ah, yes, I was thinking of the A7R3. The A73 is currently $2,000....so as of now it is more expensive to settle with or especially to switch from a 6D2 (with its retail value dropping, used prices must be getting pretty low). Then, if you're coming from Canon, you have to get at least a metabones adaptor (and invariably will want to get Sony lenses for optimal speed). It's an investment to switch brands, so it would be interesting to see any real hard numbers of percentage of Canon shooters switching to Sony (reading various numbers of posts isn't reflective of a whole statistic). I'm also not sure how quickly your average 6D2 owner will want to switch to the latest Canon offering (whether it's a cheaper FF DSLR or mirrorless). Many people see their current camera as being competent and need a big justification in spending money for the latest camera. I've been like that with upgrading my 5D3 to the 5D4 (and I have a friend who switched from Canon to Nikon....he's been praising the 850). I'm currently volunteering with taking portraits, which doesn't need the improved DR, and I don't need to film 4K (photography is a passion, but not a livelihood for me). Just getting the 5D4 instead of selling all my Canon gear to just get some money back for spending more on Nikon is less of a bitter pill to swallow, though.

davesrose wrote in post #18686601
Ah, yes, I was thinking of the A7R3. The A73 is currently $2,000....so as of now it is more expensive to settle with or especially to switch from a 6D2 (with its retail value dropping, used prices must be getting pretty low). Then, if you're coming from Canon, you have to get at least a metabones adaptor (and invariably will want to get Sony lenses for optimal speed). It's an investment to switch brands, so it would be interesting to see any real hard numbers of percentage of Canon shooters switching to Sony (reading various numbers of posts isn't reflective of a whole statistic). I'm also not sure how quickly your average 6D2 owner will want to switch to the latest Canon offering (whether it's a cheaper FF DSLR or mirrorless). Many people see their current camera as being competent and need a big justification in spending money for the latest camera. I've been like that with upgrading my 5D3 to the 5D4 (and I have a friend who switched from Canon to Nikon....he's been praising the 850). I'm currently volunteering with taking portraits, which doesn't need the improved DR, and I don't need to film 4K (photography is a passion, but not a livelihood for me). Just getting the 5D4 instead of selling all my Canon gear to just get some money back for spending more on Nikon is less of a bitter pill to swallow, though.

Well it is happening, we have a huge ongoing thread about the A73, and the large number of POTN members that are moving that way. Some of the most vocal Canon fans have started their move over to Sony. You are raising questions about the viability and desire, however, all you have to do is be actively engaged in a few of the largest forums with Canon owners and will see the shift. It is very undeniable.

Canon's FF mirrorless will also require an adapter, so adapters aren't really a stumbling block here.

Again, if Canon offers up a comparable FF mirrorless to Sony's, you will sales of the comparable DSLRs, and an increase in the used market. If one is set on a 6D2, I would wait a few months before picking on up.