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Oct 10, 2018 00:40 |  #46

Phil that's great.
I certainly understand the weight issue. I'd recommend for you to consider
for the Mrs. the 300PF + 1.4TCiii.
I think when it is all over and written in stone the 300PF will be the favorite of my
little stint into Nikon land. It is just as sharp as the EOS 300ISii I sold seemingly long ago and
the bokeh belies its F4. A lot can be done at 420 and it takes the TC very well.

I'll be curious to see how she gets along with the 200-500mm. Last week in the refuge I noted
a man using that lens and it was always on a monopod yet it was a bright sunny day...he was
younger than me too.

But Poof and I also shoot Oly M1ii. She has the 300/4Pro and I use the PL100-400. I often get
the shot because of the zoom advantage.

Is there ever a perfect answer!

Forgot you'd alluded to the ISO ability of the D500. Here's my best (so far) pushing the ISO, in this
case to 6400. I know it's crap but still, with a crop sensor I was surprised. I downsampled for
noise control.

And that leads to the reports on the net I've read stating that the D500's sensor is very very close
to being ISO invariant (proof to me it is using a Sony sensor), in fact processing files from the D500
heavily reminds me of Sony files.

OK, rambling over :)
Robert

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Oct 10, 2018 03:54 |  #47

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Phil that's great.
I certainly understand the weight issue. I'd recommend for you to consider
for the Mrs. the 300PF + 1.4TCiii.
I think when it is all over and written in stone the 300PF will be the favorite of my
little stint into Nikon land. It is just as sharp as the EOS 300ISii I sold seemingly long ago and
the bokeh belies its F4. A lot can be done at 420 and it takes the TC very well.

I'll be curious to see how she gets along with the 200-500mm. Last week in the refuge I noted
a man using that lens and it was always on a monopod yet it was a bright sunny day...he was
younger than me too.

But Poof and I also shoot Oly M1ii. She has the 300/4Pro and I use the PL100-400. I often get
the shot because of the zoom advantage.

Is there ever a perfect answer!

Forgot you'd alluded to the ISO ability of the D500. Here's my best (so far) pushing the ISO, in this
case to 6400. I know it's crap but still, with a crop sensor I was surprised. I downsampled for
noise control.

And that leads to the reports on the net I've read stating that the D500's sensor is very very close
to being ISO invariant (proof to me it is using a Sony sensor), in fact processing files from the D500
heavily reminds me of Sony files.

OK, rambling over :)
Robert
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I used nikon before sony so I was familiar with sony files since nikon uses sony sensor. and I think I still believe that nikon knows how to use the sensor better than sony can :P




  
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Oct 10, 2018 10:28 |  #48

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Nice shots & great feedback Robert. Thanks for sharing. My best shooting buddy is a long time Nikon guy & protog by trade. I've learned heckuva lot from him. He's been using D500's since they came out (along with various full frames Pro bodies) and almost always uses a D500 when we're out - even when I have to stash my 7DII & go to the 1DxII or 5DIV for lighting reasons.

He had recently suggested a D500 & 500 PF for my wife, simply for weight reasons. It was within a day or two of that recommendation that I saw you had picked up a that same hardware plus the 300 PF.

I went ahead & pulled the trigger on a D500 & one of the (heavier) 200-500 zooms to start with. Both wifey & I are excited. We'll add the PF's as soon as I can sell some of the existing gear.

Keep posting up your Nikon experience! We will join you soon :)

I have a D500 and 200-500. I don’t think you’ll be disappointed


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Oct 11, 2018 21:39 |  #49

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Oct 12, 2018 08:36 |  #51

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This one is sharp but that's a funky looking bokeh. No exif showing up. What aperture, ISO, and how far would you guess the bird was from camera and BG was behind the bird?


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Oct 12, 2018 09:10 |  #52

There is a link near the bottom of the image.
It will take you here:
https://www.flickr.com …0329787317/in/d​ateposted/ (external link)
Where if you scroll below the image on Flickr you will see-
Nikon D500
500.0 mm f/5.6
ƒ/7.1 500.0 mm 1/2500 2000

The reason no EXIF is showing here is because POTN does not have the Nikkor 500mm F5.6 PF in their
database so I cannot add it to my gallery because the lens is not selectable.

Proximity to this bierd was less than 70 feet. 70 percent best guess of frame filled with the Ibis.

My processing is responsible for a lot of the bokeh. That is my artistic choice eh?
I completely select the suject, the Ibis in this case, and make a separate layer of just the background.
Then I super denoised the background to blur detail. I want the viewer to see the bierd pop off the screen.
Sorry you don't like the image but I didn't make it for you ;)
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Oct 12, 2018 11:48 |  #53

MedicineMan4040 wrote in post #18727426 (external link)
...Sorry you don't like the image but ...

Wasn't critiquing the image. I was under the impression that the point of this thread was to demonstrate the capabilities of the new lens. That's what I was commenting on was the lens behavior. Although if you are the lens designer I guess I'd understand how you could take is somewhat personally. But now that you described your processing it gives one pause to imagine what the bokeh looked like SOOC. It is of particular note(to me at least) since one of the issues commonly mentioned as a weakness of the PF technology is how highlights can affect the bokeh. I haven't ever noticed it myself with the 300 PF but have seen it mentioned in reviews etc.


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Oct 12, 2018 13:37 |  #54

NF gotcha.
OK downsized to 1600 for POTN rules.
I pulled up shadows as much as the D500 would allow.
Yeah I was snippy this morning. My apologies. Critique all you want :)

This one should demo how the lens deals with highlights from behind-

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Oct 12, 2018 13:41 |  #55

NF that's not an image I'd post to Flickr. So no link to Flickr for EXIF.
and as mentioned prior POTN doesn't have the 500PF in the database
So here is a screen shot from PScc.
You'll note a TC was used. The Nikkor 1.4TCiii in fact.
AFter the trip two weeks ago I looked and I used the 1.4TCiii for most shots.

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Oct 12, 2018 14:59 |  #56

Teleconverter test.
On the left the plain 500mm on the D500.
On the right the 500PF + 1.4TCiii.
Distance to bierd approximately 75 yards/ 68 meters

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What I'm seeing is little IQ loss if any using the 1.4TCiii on the 500PF.
At this distance atmospherics are working against me even on a good day.
I did resize the 500mm plain shot to approximate size.
For those of you who know the D500 I was in D25 focus group. Handholding I could
not keep the Single point on his head, so best I could do was D25 on the chest.

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Oct 12, 2018 15:00 |  #57

Anybody remember the blunderbuss from school?
Reminds me of one-

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Oct 12, 2018 15:50 |  #58

Here's an uncropped file from the TC vs plain comparison above to show distance worked

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Oct 12, 2018 16:28 |  #59

First time using a single AF-point, still in AF-C though.

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Oct 12, 2018 16:36 as a reply to  @ MedicineMan4040's post |  #60

Thanks for all of the follow up info. Continuing to collect data for a final decision while I wait on the backorder list.


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