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Jan 23, 2020 13:05 |  #1096

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Hi guys,

I have an offer from my camera store on a Nikkor 500PF at a small discount, but nonetheless reason to get it a bit sooner than I planned.
I currently use a Canon 7DII with 400DOII+1.4TC, and in good light that combo gives me good results. However, I come from a Sony sensored Pentax K3II background that I shot with the DA560 f5.6 for years.
In short, I have not been able to get to grips with the lower dynamic range and especially very limited post processing room from the Canon 7DII, and in the flat winter light it is not rewarding for me to go out and shoot due to the limited tonality and lack of color depth from the 7DII in lower light, and that does not mean shooting at iso 3200 or such, but even at iso 400-800, output is flat and lifeless when the light is not there.

So I have been musing ever since winter light set in, and in the end I see the only option with Nikon APS-C for my needs. I want to add either a D500 or a Z50 to the 500PF, and since I will be keeping the Canon set-up, which is very responsive and has great AF for my needs, very consistent and spot-on (I know I am an odd one out here), I am leaning towards a Z50 for the performance with the 1.4TC, and perhaps even the 1.7TC.
I have tried to trade in the Canon set though, but it's throwing away money, and I prefer to keep it for good light shooting. It gets me to 560mm f5.6 on a higher density crop sensor and in good light performs excellent.

So am I crippling the 500PF on the Z50 when you omit fast BIF shooting? With the 1.4TC it gives me 700mm f8 on a very good sensor, and should enable satisfying results even in flatter light. With the 7DII+400DOII+1.4TC, I can easily shoot at 1/250s due to the superb IS of the 400DOII. Does the 500PF have the VR that it takes to shoot handheld at 1/250s?

Any input welcome, I look forward to the 500PF, and especially going "back home" to a Sony APS-C sensor, and a better one than I had in the K3II!
p.s. for anyone thinking "why not get a better Canon body"?: I want to shoot crop with birding, and have waited for a 7DIII for a year now, but it is nowhere to be seen. I owned the 90D shortly, but felt that it was a step back from the 7DII in anything other than IQ, and even there I had doubts about the super high resolution and the resulting noise. I feel Nikon has it so much better thought out.

Hi Chris,

Welcome to the dark side! :)

I am all too familiar with your dilemma. I too, had a 7DII (1DxII, 5DIV, 80D...) and canon big glass. For birding, the crop sensor was always my choice and that was the 7DII. I "get it".

I first bought a D500 & Nikkor 200-500 for my wife while we awaited delivery of a 500PF for her. I no more than took her rig out to setup & learn so I could help her, than I determined it was time for me to jump ship completely.

I started with a D500 as well. Because I had a lot of Canon gear that I sold, I was able to get some Nikon big glass quickly. We finally ended up with a 500PF for each of us. The D500 & 500PF is an absolute dream to shoot. The focus acquisition speed & retention is head & shoulders better than what I was used to with all but the 1DxII (but that was a Full Frame tank).

If you leverage the NR capabilities afforded by Topaz AI Clear / DeNoise AI, you can comfortably shoot at 6400 and sometime higher. Naturally, lower is always better regardless of what you are shooting.

The Z50 is an incredible value for what it is. It brings even better elevated ISO performance and unparalled performance with TC's. I can shoot a 2xTC w/o any worries of AF Fine Tune (AFMA) and get better results than on any of my DSLR / Lens combos. I can even shoot the Z50 with 500PF & 2x (@F11) and get serviceable results. What the Z50 does not have is the blazing AF speed.

This may sound crazy, but the best solution is probably "both" bodies. :)

You can find good deal on even new D500's now and the Z50 is about $850 (plus the FTZ - which can be found at reduced price when bought with the body).

I've tried to post samples from both bodies with various lens / TC combos on my flickr page. Some are better than others, and some were just to prove the body would work in a given lens / TC pairing. https://www.flickr.com​/photos/128329716@N05/ (external link)

Other will have additional / other experiences & feedback to share. MatthewK had been doing exactly what you are considering and will have valuable insight.

Please feel free to ask whatever questions you may have.


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Jan 23, 2020 13:59 |  #1097

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Hi Chris,

Welcome to the dark side! :)

I am all too familiar with your dilemma. I too, had a 7DII (1DxII, 5DIV, 80D...) and canon big glass. For birding, the crop sensor was always my choice and that was the 7DII. I "get it".

I first bought a D500 & Nikkor 200-500 for my wife while we awaited delivery of a 500PF for her. I no more than took her rig out to setup & learn so I could help her, than I determined it was time for me to jump ship completely.

I started with a D500 as well. Because I had a lot of Canon gear that I sold, I was able to get some Nikon big glass quickly. We finally ended up with a 500PF for each of us. The D500 & 500PF is an absolute dream to shoot. The focus acquisition speed & retention is head & shoulders better than what I was used to with all but the 1DxII (but that was a Full Frame tank).

If you leverage the NR capabilities afforded by Topaz AI Clear / DeNoise AI, you can comfortably shoot at 6400 and sometime higher. Naturally, lower is always better regardless of what you are shooting.

The Z50 is an incredible value for what it is. It brings even better elevated ISO performance and unparalled performance with TC's. I can shoot a 2xTC w/o any worries of AF Fine Tune (AFMA) and get better results than on any of my DSLR / Lens combos. I can even shoot the Z50 with 500PF & 2x (@F11) and get serviceable results. What the Z50 does not have is the blazing AF speed.

This may sound crazy, but the best solution is probably "both" bodies. :)

You can find good deal on even new D500's now and the Z50 is about $850 (plus the FTZ - which can be found at reduced price when bought with the body).

I've tried to post samples from both bodies with various lens / TC combos on my flickr page. Some are better than others, and some were just to prove the body would work in a given lens / TC pairing. https://www.flickr.com​/photos/128329716@N05/ (external link)

Other will have additional / other experiences & feedback to share. MatthewK had been doing exactly what you are considering and will have valuable insight.

Please feel free to ask whatever questions you may have.

Hi Phil,

Well it's happening, my camera store has reserved their copy of the 500PF and sent me a link to pay. So next week looks like I am going to own a Nikon lens for the first time ever really.
The D500 and Z50 look amazing, both, and I have zero reservations about either IQ wise. I agree with you that for my intended uses, I will have to get both, which is why the Z50 is a dream at its modest price, great sensor and ideal form factor for pairing with the 500PF and the 1.4TC.
I assume that AF, although not D500 fast, is accurate, responsive and works in low light?

Because I am unable to sell the 400DOII for a reasonable price, I will keep it with the 7DII for now, and that combo is also blazing fast with the 1.4TC, so that is why the Z50 has my first interest: for the EFC shutter, the super light weight and the AF accuracy with the 1.4TC. I have shot the 400DOII with the 2.0TC to get beyond 560mm, but IQ takes a hit, not so much sharpness, but the "placement" of subjects in their environment with depth of field and the transition from OOF to in focus and to OOF again starts to look "messy" and "compressed". Only when you are shooting at close to medium distances, does the combo of 400DOII+2.0TC work like a dream, but I want to shoot at medium to larger distances, so say 35-65m, and I cannot do that satisfyingly with the 400DOII. Oddly enough, the 400DOII+1.4TC works best for these larger distances, but then I am stuck at 560mm and have to crop too much.
I believe now that 2.0TC's are fine, but not for shooting at larger distances, they work best for just filling the whole frame. It seems to me that a 1.4TC harms the look of the image much less with compression and ugly bokeh, so that is why good performance at 700mm is essential for me, and here the Z50 should really be ideal.

Please let me know if I am weighing this the wrong way with the Nikon set, and for sure I will get the D500 also in due time, but as long as I still have a blistering fast 7DII with 400DOII+1.4TC, I think I can manage with the Z50 until spring comes and brings good light for the Canon. In autumn, I will want to add a D500, and finally experience the AF that it is renowned for! And b.t.w. I could have also started saving for a 500mm f4II Canon, and have considered that, but that 7DIII that won't appear has blocked that path for me. And no reservations b.t.w. about going Nikon, I should have done that a year ago, but the 500PF was impossible to get. Of all the (crop sensor) birding images I see floating around on these fora, I routinely like the Nikon (D500) ones best.




  
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Jan 23, 2020 14:34 |  #1098

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Hi Phil,

I assume that AF, although not D500 fast, is accurate, responsive and works in low light?

I follow your logic, and basically agree with your strategy. While the focus accuracy is excellent on the Z50, even in less than optimal light, I'm not sue I'd want to use the TC on the 500PF if I know it's really low light. I've taken a quick scan for some samples and while I do have some low light Z50 samples with the 500PF, I do not with the the 500PF & TC.

Perhaps clarification on low light may be valuable. Are you talking about really early or really late, or are you talking about gloomy, overcast daytime light?

Robert (Medicineman) will have good input on this too, as he had all the old gear as well as current and live in a gloomy area of TN.

Here are a few samples.

IMAGE: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49100030366_2b1201a570_h.jpg
Z50, 500PF, 1/160, F5.6, ISO 3600

IMAGE: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49099523678_f4b4639ca6_h.jpg
Z50, 500PF, 1/320, F5.6, ISO 5000

IMAGE: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49099524038_5b9e786afd_h.jpg
Z50, 500PF, 1/1600, F5.6, ISO 2000

IMAGE: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49036439122_a6973153ec_h.jpg
Z50, 500PF, 1/2000, F5.6, ISO 32,000 (Forced High ISO)

IMAGE: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49100236817_47576673f6_h.jpg
Z50, 500PF, 1/1250, F5.6, ISO 220 (More light, but showing accurate focus)

IMAGE: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49187977083_c75dfa027b_h.jpg
Z50, 500PF, 1/500, F5.6, ISO 250 (Daytime, but in the shade showing accurate focus)

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Z50, 500PF, 2xTC (1000mm) 1/2000, F11, ISO 1000 (Daytime, but showing accurate focus with 2x TC @ F11)

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Jan 23, 2020 14:45 |  #1099

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Hi Phil,

Well it's happening, my camera store has reserved their copy of the 500PF and sent me a link to pay.

Don't forget the FTZ (F to Z mount) adapter. You'll need it to mount the 500PF on a Z body camera. You should be able to find a pkg that includes it at a reduced price.

Another thought... The DX Kit lenses that can be packaged with the Baby Z (Z50) are shocking good and make for super light carry around lenses for time you might like to have a camera but are not birding. In the kits, they are quite inexpensive. Just a thought...


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Jan 23, 2020 15:06 |  #1100

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I follow your logic, and basically agree with your strategy. While the focus accuracy is excellent on the Z50, even in less than optimal light, I'm not sue I'd want to use the TC on the 500PF if I know it's really low light. I've taken a quick scan for some samples and while I do have some low light Z50 samples with the 500PF, I do not with the the 500PF & TC.

Perhaps clarification on low light may be valuable. Are you talking about really early or really late, or are you talking about gloomy, overcast daytime light?

Thanks! These look excellent to me. I don't mean dusk or dawn low light, but simply flat light or a bird in the shade. I adapted the 400DOII to the Sony A7RII and that was a pain in low light, but I just read up on some Z50 reviews, and: "Brilliant in low light: wide 100–51200 ISO range and low-light autofocus down to -4 EV", so I will get the Z50 in a package with the FTZ adapter!




  
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Jan 23, 2020 15:50 |  #1101

Here are some images from my former Pentax K3 and DA560, just to give you an impression of what I was used to. Hope that's ok. in a Nikkor 500PF thread!


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Jan 23, 2020 15:52 |  #1102

The one of the bittern is with the 1.4TC, giving a 784mm focal length, handheld.


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Jan 23, 2020 16:06 |  #1103

Nice!

I think you'll find the Z50 w/500PF more than serviceable. Based on your KingFisher, I'm guessing you are not in the states... :)

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Z50, 500PF, 1/3200, F5.6 ISO 160 (lots'a reflected light, still)

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Jan 23, 2020 19:40 |  #1105

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Jan 23, 2020 19:41 |  #1106

Still looking through Monday's shots.

Most will laugh, but I see frost on that rail! :cry:

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Awesome, Long Ear! :)

Great Horned... can only wish we had Long Eared here though!

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Most will laugh, but I see frost on that rail! :cry:

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That's some cute frost you got there, Phil :-P

I got no room to quip, Denis in Canada will be along at some point and laugh at our idea of "cold" weather!



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Jan 25, 2020 07:48 |  #1108

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That,s a beauty Matt!


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Most will laugh, but I see frost on that rail! :cry:

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Suck it up Nancy!:lol:
Wish this was the extent of our winter!
Love the pose and details here Phil!


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Jan 25, 2020 07:53 |  #1110

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Great Horned... can only wish we had Long Eared here though!

That's some cute frost you got there, Phil :-P

I got no room to quip, Denis in Canada will be along at some point and laugh at our idea of "cold" weather!

It is what it is! Not much up here,but a few rarities.Northern Hawk owl,and a beautiful Varied thrush(cant post it here.Shot it with canon gear),and a mountain bluebird.
I,m spending the cold months doing high speed water drop photography!:-)


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