Purchasing Photoshop CC question?

reefvilla wrote in post #18694456
So what is the dumber down version of LR... elements?
And is it a stand alone or also a monthly fee?

There is not really an alternative to Lr that is dumbed down. You may find that the image management component that is now shipped with Ps Elements may do that job, but there is a good chance that you may find PsE limiting after PSP. PsE has essentially no 16 bit support, other than converting the file to 8 bit. So it depends on your level of PSP use. I haven't used PsE since V2 that came with my 300D, and given how bad Canon's own RAW converter was back then I quickly became a RAWShooterEssentials/P​sE user. I had a bit of a look at PsE 6 when it came out, but only on behalf of someone else.

reefvilla wrote in post #18694473
"While you may continue to purchase and use Lightroom 6 with a perpetual license, Adobe will no longer provide updates to the software. "

So am I better off going with the CC version in the long run?

If you are not going to plan on replacing either your computer or your camera for a couple of years then going with Lr6 might not be a bad idea. Although it won't be updated you should be able to continue using it without issue. The only issue is if your OS is updated and no longer supports the old version of Lr.

Alan

reefvilla wrote in post #18694473
"While you may continue to purchase and use Lightroom 6 with a perpetual license, Adobe will no longer provide updates to the software. "

So am I better off going with the CC version in the long run?

Yes in the long run if you don't mind $10 a month. The CC version has made a lot of changes. One being this. It reduces the need for going to PS for layers. Not as good but works well.

https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=SFuHYJvBXIQ

You can send a file from LR to PS for additional editing and it comes back as a TIFF.

reefvilla wrote in post #18694479
Wow, thanks for taking the time to write all that.
I really think LR might be good for me And my wife, she does Yearly books of my daughter, all holidays and special events and then has them printed. She spends hours searching for photos because I usually load them all in a bulk folder with my daughter's name.

For Lr to really shine at finding images you do have to put some work in. Keywording is the hardest part, but the most important. You have to add the keywords to the images manually, but Lr has quite a few ways of actually making that job easier. One advantage of the new Lr7 on the plan is that it now has a system that will attempt to identify faces for you automatically. A vast majority of my images don't actually have any faces in them, let alone recognisable ones, so I turned the system off. It seemed to do a fairly reasonable job of discriminating, and my manually correcting it it does seem to learn, so could be useful. You can bulk add keywords on import, for those that will apply to all images, such as "Summer holiday 2018". You can also select multiple images at once and add keywords that way, or use the "painter" tool that allows you to paint over thumbnails to add the selected keywords. Plenty of choices to work the way you want to.

Alan

Wilt wrote in post #18694441
Although over the years I have had a few complementary versions of Photoshop (e.g. 'Photoshop LE') presented to me with hardware products like scanners or printers, and although I have used them, and although I also have tried complemetary versions of Elements, early on I chose to use Paintshop Pro because it could do pretty much all that I needed, at a less challenging-to-wallet price than Photoshop. I never have had motivation to switch to the other side. Adobe monthly fees further drive me away from any desire to switch, since I earn no money but have only hobbyist/enthusiast expenses with zero income to write off expenses against.

In switching from JPG storage to RAW storage, I tried RawShooter, and Elements RAW conversion and Paintshop Pro RAW conversion, I found neither Elements nor Paintshop Pro had RAW editing quite as wide in flexibility as RawShooter. When Adobe bought the code for RawShooter and integrated it to create Lightroom, I found the added capability of Digital Asset Management to be a very powerful way to handle large collections of images with arbitrary groupings, a very useful capability especially for a professional.

Then, with LR7 monthly licensing just like Photoshop, Adobe is falling out of favor with me in general, and changing to another non-Adobe RAW convertor is a consideration since I have found that DAM is not so strongly motivating me as a hobbyist. Lose another loyal customer, airheads! Photographers are not all pros who earn income and can write off monthly expenses.

Wilt wrote in post #18694453
Too bad Adobe has adopted its perpetual expense model for licensing for any users. 24 years as a hobbyist equates to close to $4900 in smaller bank account when going with Adobe, when factoring in a mere 4% annual return 'loss'. Pros can justify what hobbyists cannot.

Twenty-something hobbyists should stop and think about 45 years of expense and lost interest due to the expense.
"It's only $10" is too simplistic way of looking at what Adobe is asking you to do.

(hint: it is in excess of $19k, less money in your bank account after 50 years)

These points you make are big for me as well. I've had a discounted version of photoshop 5.1 for years now, but I'm actively moving away from adobe, to the point that I even suffer through gimp once in awhile just so I am at least used to it. I will not pay for certain software if I cannot install it locally. I know for some, the cloud is the trend, but it's really only a control oriented money making gimmick.

I think we will start seeing even more competition in the near future. Affinity Photo is impressive.There are a few different versions of gimp, with gimp by itself being around for awhile now. Plus, the open source image manipulation libraries keep improving, which makes it easier to develop new applications.

I have been reading CC posts since last October and have learned one thing, there is absolutely no grey area. People either don't mind spending the $10 a month or will never give in to being held ransom. This is right up there with should I use a protective filter. It is all good. That is the beauty of having choices.

I also have DXO PL. No DAM and I hate that it has no history of adjustments even as you work on an image. Even PS has that. You can't use your camera profiles. If I transfer a file from LR it won't retain the edits. Outside of that a very good develop and Prime NR is one of the best I've seen. The Smart Lighting and Clearview (which is like LR's Dehaze) are nice features.

If I ever drop get rid of LR I'd more than likely use DXO but I sure would miss it. LR7's Auto Tone which applies what Adobe calls Sensei is very usable now. I actually I just made a significant workflow change because of a plugin I found. I'll to try and find a thread that discussed this instead of getting into details here. Link if I can.

C1 Pro is another one of the top developers and popular here and at other sites. It is $300 and a standalone so the initial hit put some people off. I think it has some type of DAM but not as sophisticated as LR.

C1 for $300 is almost 3 yrs of LR. I would rather have LR because so many seem to use it and I could get help when needed

And I'm sure the C1 program will have new versions sooner than 30 months so then another $300 or so

reefvilla wrote in post #18694818
C1 for $300 is almost 3 yrs of LR. I would rather have LR because so many seem to use it and I could get help when needed

And I'm sure the C1 program will have new versions sooner than 30 months so then another $300 or so

If you want the latest I read that C1 has about a 14 month update cycle so you have to consider that. All software has a cycle.

I tried it last fall and a few times before that over the last 13 years. It is very good with colours. That impressed me. If I was into portraiture I may have considered it but you can get accurate colours using Adobe and ColourChecker Passport. There are some C1 die hards here.

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1498806

With LR... can you edit a photo how you like with multiple corrections, and then save that edit as a preset?

I guess I'm asking, how do you make presets?
I received an email for a bundle of like 5000 presets for $30 but I would guess most of them i would not use so i would rather make my own.

reefvilla wrote in post #18694361
I was thinking just Photoshop, unless I need Lightroom?!?! Isn't Lightroom a management program for pictures? Or an organizer?

Sorry, I have no clue

If you want to see what updates LR7 has had since its release last October start on page to and work your way back through the Classic updates. There were 5.

https://www.lightroomq​ueen.com/blog/

This is the link for 7.0 on page 3

https://www.lightroomq​ueen.com …-classic-october-2017-70/

Also you can get 100's free presets to get any look you want. Here is just one site.

https://mattk.com/ligh​troom-presets/

All great info, thanks!!!

Free? Is anything free anymore...lol

reefvilla wrote in post #18694847
With LR... can you edit a photo how you like with multiple corrections, and then save that edit as a preset?

I guess I'm asking, how do you make presets?
I received an email for a bundle of like 5000 presets for $30 but I would guess most of them i would not use so i would rather make my own.

You can create presets by making any type of adjustments to your taste and then just go the command - Create Presets, name it and save it.

digital paradise wrote in post #18694854
You can create presets by making any type of adjustments to your taste and then just go the command - Create Presets, name it and save it.

PERFECT!!!! I am sold on LR

reefvilla wrote in post #18694852
All great info, thanks!!!

Free? Is anything free anymore...lol

I have hundreds. I have never paid for any but there are lots for sale. Film simulation, portraits, wedding stuff. Anything you want and its out there.

digital paradise wrote in post #18694856
I have hundreds. I have never paid for any but there are lots for sale. Film simulation, portraits, wedding stuff. Anything you want and its out there.

Do the trial first just in case you find something you don't like. You have 30 days.