Lightroom or Capture one?

James Crockett wrote in post #18715256
I don't know if this is normal but I have edited images with ACR and open the image in Photoshop and the picture will be a little different than I edited in ACR.

It's DEFINITELY not normal. Can you show us screenshots of this?

Damo77 wrote in post #18715380
It's DEFINITELY not normal. Can you show us screenshots of this?

I'll see what I can do. It might be just me and be normal. Most of the time the picture comes out the way I wanted.

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18699245
if you are opposed to CC subscription, Capture One is a good alternative. I use it for 90 percent of my editing and switch over to Ps CS for more detailed pixel editing and mask/layer work.

Ultimately I will probably end up with Capture One and Affinity Photo instead of CC.

As I am getting ready to retire I realize that ANY Subscription model is just a leach attached to my wallet, be it Adobe or Microsoft so eventually Adobe will be history, thus I have also been looking. I appreciate all the comments on this thread so far. I've been playing with Capture One and find it works well - and being a Fuji user the RAW files are handled better by Capture One. Problem is after using Lightroom now for so long though, Lightroom is JUST SO MUCH EASIER!!! It's going to take a while to get used to.

I would suggest creating a custom work space where you have only the tools you need on each screen, you can probably get away with just a few screen layouts ... Importing/Organizing ... Editing ... Exporting ... that way you don't have so many tools staring at you at one time.

Lumens wrote in post #18715622
As I am getting ready to retire I realize that ANY Subscription model is just a leach attached to my wallet, be it Adobe or Microsoft so eventually Adobe will be history, thus I have also been looking. I appreciate all the comments on this thread so far. I've been playing with Capture One and find it works well - and being a Fuji user the RAW files are handled better by Capture One. Problem is after using Lightroom now for so long though, Lightroom is JUST SO MUCH EASIER!!! It's going to take a while to get used to.

I don't know about you but I usually upgraded to the latest software past so when I did the numbers from 2005. Between getting CS2 in 2005 and LR5 in 2012 there isn't much difference with me being on the plan now. I paid for the year and don't worry about it. I trialled C1 twice (again 2 weeks ago) and while it good it didn't work for me in the areas I needed. Last October I really wanted it to blow my doors off because I wanted nothing to do with subscription, but it didn't.

When Adobe went subscription I did a lot of investigation. There were complaints that C1 was getting a little underhanded as it started to become an annual update software. I read about a 14 month cycle and someone posted. 9, 10 and 11 have been a year, give or take a day. Of course you don't have to upgrade but I must I really like all the improvements in LR7.

https://en.wikipedia.o​rg/wiki/Capture_One

I also have DXO PL which I don't use anywhere near as much as I thought I would. All software has strengths an weaknesses. You just pick the one that works best for your needs and your principles. The plan doesn't sit well with some and there is nothing wrong with that. I know I waste at least $10 a month on dumber things We don't have to spend $30 on a movie but that is going to happen again today. Not saying going to a movie is dumb, just staying home is cheaper.

Talking about subscription. Apple is going Mojave and won't support older versions of Microsoft Office. Mine is 2008 and a legal copy. All my software is legal. Can't buy that as a stand alone anymore. I must have thousands of documents both word and excel that I used for convenience. I used it at work and was familiar with it. I know I don't need and won't use the 1TB of cloud storage that comes with it.

digital paradise wrote in post #18715788
Talking about subscription. Apple is going Mojave and won't support older versions of Microsoft Office. Mine is 2008 and a legal copy. All my software is legal. Can't buy that as a stand alone anymore. I must have thousands of documents both word and excel that I used for convenience. I used it at work and was familiar with it. I know I don't need and won't use the 1TB of cloud storage that comes with it.

But, I'm sure there are dumber ways to spend the money!

This is part of the problem with subscriptions, at some point each sub will add up and before you know it you'll be paying a big sum of money every month even just to have access to legacy files that you may or may not ever need again. In the past I have maintained an entire "legacy computer" with an old OS and old software simply for that random time I need to open an old file.

FWIW, the Mac OS Pages and Numbers do a pretty good job of opening Office files.

Lumens wrote in post #18715622
Problem is after using Lightroom now for so long though, Lightroom is JUST SO MUCH EASIER!!! It's going to take a while to get used to.

This is exactly what I thought at the begin - BUT, I just can assure you that the time spent to learn Capture One is totally worth it. Especially the degree of colour control is simply staggering.

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18715839
But, I'm sure there are dumber ways to spend the money!

This is part of the problem with subscriptions, at some point each sub will add up and before you know it you'll be paying a big sum of money every month even just to have access to legacy files that you may or may not ever need again. In the past I have maintained an entire "legacy computer" with an old OS and old software simply for that random time I need to open an old file.

FWIW, the Mac OS Pages and Numbers do a pretty good job of opening Office files.

Thanks. I was looking for something but there are so many versions at the store. I downloaded LibreOffice which is free but who knows for how long.

digital paradise wrote in post #18716015
Thanks. I was looking for something but there are so many versions at the store. I downloaded LibreOffice which is free but who knows for for how long.

I still have Office 2003. It does everything I want... just about. The only thing is, it won't open some newer Office files. But they open in Google Drive. And those .docx and xlsx files can be converted. So I'm sticking with 2003 for now.

I don't care about colour. It's last thing on my list as a hobbyist. I don't shoot magazine covers. I have always liked Canon colours and assimilated Standard using Adobe. I had to stop using Canon profiles because LR's new Auto Tone or Sensei works better with Adobe files. I have read that some feel C1 over-saturates but I didn't mind it. I may have said I was impressed with the colour "out of the box" when I first tried it about 8 years ago.

C1 put a video out saying now much better it looked than Adobe and it did. They were comparing themselves to Adobe Standard which is flat. You either fine tune, apply a profile or use something like ColourChecker Passport. Several months later Adobe introduced Adobe Colour and bumped up capture sharpening to 40 I'm surprised it took them that long.

I also use two plugins. One helps me fine tune Sensei to my taste. The other I enter desired values for ISO and NR and it applies NR using a logarithmic formula. If I need to after import I can process and export a file in about 10 seconds. I usually spend more time editing. I also prefer LR's export process. I don't know what they do but if I send a file to DXO it comes back to LR for export.

I concluded what this person says last October. I came across this video months later. My comments are not a slam against C2 or any other product. They are all good. You choose the tool that works best for your needs.

Start at minute 9 but it gets into it at minute 10:30. The whole video is a good constructive overview.

https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=AZdzcaaqaeY

Archibald wrote in post #18716028
I still have Office 2003. It does everything I want... just about. The only thing is, it won't open some newer Office files. But they open in Google Drive. And those .docx and xlsx files can be converted. So I'm sticking with 2003 for now.

Do you use Apple? By what I have read Mohave won't support anything older than 2012. High Sierra still opens 2008.

digital paradise wrote in post #18716042
Do you use Apple? By what I have read Mohave won't support anything older than 2012. High Sierra still opens 2008.

Windows 10, but I eat apples.

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18715839
FWIW, the Mac OS Pages and Numbers do a pretty good job of opening Office files.

In my experience Numbers was just simply bad at converting any of my Excel 2007 spreadsheets. It managed to lose all of the dynamic formatting, and quite a bit of the static formatting. Honestly it really felt like I might as well have just exported the thing as a CSV file. Oh and no way to bring the data correctly back into Excel on my windows machine. I actually ended up printing out the data I would need for any particular days onsite work, then writing the changes up on the paper, then adding it back to the spreadsheet in the evening.

digital paradise wrote in post #18716034
I don't care about colour. It's last thing on my list as a hobbyist. I don't shoot magazine covers. I have always liked Canon colours and assimilated Standard using Adobe. I had to stop using Canon profiles because LR's new Auto Tone or Sensei works better with Adobe files. I have read that some feel C1 over-saturates but I didn't mind it. I may have said I was impressed with the colour "out of the box" when I first tried it about 8 years ago.

I think I might have mentioned this before, but if you are using Lr, you never get Canon colours. Adobe built their original "Camera Matching Profiles", the ones labeled Camera xxxxx to try to be a close approximation to in built conversion profiles in the various cameras. This was Adobe's first foray into trying to get closer to producing a default image that was closer to what many would consider usable. The Adobe xxxxx profiles on the other hand are an effort to try to produce a set of profiles that will produce relatively closely matching images across a range of different camera manufactures cameras. These also are really solely Adobe colours though.

Alan