EOS-R - It's out. Thoughts?

gossamer88 wrote in post #18701719
I think he left the building...

Nope just working my 70+ hours a week.

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18701728
I like Talley's comings and goings, and the banter from others that it induces. I also like the anecdotal stuff that's incorporated into some of the posts. And the personal information posted by LHB.

I like all of this stuff right here in the thread that is mostly about camera bodies. These gear threads would be much less enjoyable if every part of every post was strictly on topic ...... that would suck. Yes, it would.

I’ll take the beating.

I’m just a gear nut and my expectations are high. When canon releases best in class they can win me over. I hate several things with Sony. I hate how their paint on lenses suck. Not durable. I use to prefer canon colors but now levitating toward Sony but Sony cannot handle artificial white balance well and skin tones.

I like several things about this R release. I just cannot understand how all of the complaints from the 5d4 and 6d2 they couldn’t correct them out of the gate.

Oh well. My heart is always with canon. But it took a lot of brainpower to yank me from canon. Now I’m not partial to any one system. I see the good in all and the bad also.

Nobody is ripping my 200/2 from my hands so in some ways I’ll always have use for a canon body.

The real question is:

Sony 400 2.8 or canon 400 2.8 III

I can adapt the canon. But that Sony suppose to be fast as hell

John Sheehy wrote in post #18701713
That's not so bad for an EVF camera. A 1.7x crop sensor can give very good video. .

I'm not much of a video guy, but as I understand it the main complaint with these heavy video crops is that it makes it quite difficult to use the camera out and about for stills and videos because the FOV range of the lenses between FF and 1.7x crop is pretty big. It also limits the video lens selection on the wide end quite a bit as a 14mm lens becomes just a regular old wide angle in video mode.

Quite a bit of video is shot in the wide angle range, and so if you are about with your 24-105 shooting stills, flipping to video mode suddenly means you have the FOV of a 41 - 176 zoom. So you need to carry around an UWA zoom at all times to shoot wide angle video, and UWA video is not possible.

Finally, you cannot shoot wide angle video with fast and wide primes (do people do this? I don't know). Because there are a dearth of primes that will fit RF mount, faster than f/2 and wider than 14mm.

Charlie wrote in post #18701729
CIPA rating doesnt do Mirrorless any favors, but it is the standard.

You can expect 700-1000 images based on how you conserve. Unlike DSLRS, you have to actively conserve battery with mirrorless.

Leaving the switch set to "ON" and putting the camera down for a while can result in getting one shot per battery charge. That's been my experience with mirrorless. All I know is when I pick up my Sony after a long gap in shooting and the camera is very warm, I'm going to be switching to the second battery.

I never have that problem with my 5D3.

JeffreyG wrote in post #18701768
Leaving the switch set to "ON" and putting the camera down for a while can result in getting one shot per battery charge. That's been my experience with mirrorless. All I know is when I pick up my Sony after a long gap in shooting and the camera is very warm, I'm going to be switching to the second battery.

I never have that problem with my 5D3.

And that's how CIPA tests are done, which does no favors for mirrorless. You can set an auto off time limit to conserve batteries, but enabling RF remote control disables this feature, just something to note if you notice that the camera never shuts off!

JeffreyG wrote in post #18701767
I'm not much of a video guy, but as I understand it the main complaint with these heavy video crops is that it makes it quite difficult to use the camera out and about for stills and videos because the FOV range of the lenses between FF and 1.7x crop is pretty big. It also limits the video lens selection on the wide end quite a bit as a 14mm lens becomes just a regular old wide angle in video mode.

Quite a bit of video is shot in the wide angle range, and so if you are about with your 24-105 shooting stills, flipping to video mode suddenly means you have the FOV of a 41 - 176 zoom. So you need to carry around an UWA zoom at all times to shoot wide angle video, and UWA video is not possible.

Finally, you cannot shoot wide angle video with fast and wide primes (do people do this? I don't know). Because there are a dearth of primes that will fit RF mount, faster than f/2 and wider than 14mm.

Thats a more sensible explanation than me just popping off. But that is 10,000x the reason why I need FF 4k. I use 4K so I can grab video memories and can still extract usable JPG from that. I also will go out with a normal 28-75 and capture images and video with one lens. I cannot record 4K at 28mm on a 24-105 with any canon body because of the crop. This means you have to use a UWA to get that. Two lenses... sometimes are not practical if you spend an all day ordeal on vacation and just want to carry one lens to enjoy the vacation.

Charlie wrote in post #18701770
And that's how CIPA tests are done, which does no favors for mirrorless. You can set an auto off time limit to conserve batteries, but enabling RF remote control disables this feature, just something to note if you notice that the camera never shuts off!

This 12-24 was a great investment btw... perfect size and perfect IQ and range.

JeffreyG wrote in post #18701768
Leaving the switch set to "ON" and putting the camera down for a while can result in getting one shot per battery charge. That's been my experience with mirrorless. All I know is when I pick up my Sony after a long gap in shooting and the camera is very warm, I'm going to be switching to the second battery.

I never have that problem with my 5D3.

I have never had that issue on my XT2. I have it auto off after 2min and as I am bringing it up I just tap the shutter button and its ready to go. I rarely ever turn off the switch on my XT2. I dont notice any difference in battery life vs turning it off. So far I seem to get around 800+ so shots on a charge

05Xrunner wrote in post #18701776
I have never had that issue on my XT2. I have it auto off after 2min and as I am bringing it up I just tap the shutter button and its ready to go. I rarely ever turn off the switch on my XT2. I dont notice any difference in battery life vs turning it off. So far I seem to get around 800+ so shots on a charge

I use remotes a lot, but I guess I should bite the bullet and turn off RF triggers so auto-off is re-enabled.

05Xrunner wrote in post #18701776
I have never had that issue on my XT2. I have it auto off after 2min and as I am bringing it up I just tap the shutter button and its ready to go. I rarely ever turn off the switch on my XT2. I dont notice any difference in battery life vs turning it off. So far I seem to get around 800+ so shots on a charge

Sony has an issue, that for the longest time I couldnt figure out. I would shoot, then put my camera in my bag, then notice an hour later, it was on the whole time

Not too big of an issue with the Z battery, but it turns out that if you have IR remote enabled(mistaken typed RF above), it overrides the power savings settings! I guess that makes some sense, you dont want your camera turning off in that instance. It should issue a warning or tooltip though. I noticed the problem when I'm doing a mix of landscapes + IR remote, then later shoot an event at night.

oh. I have never used any type of remote triggers before.

Charlie wrote in post #18701770
And that's how CIPA tests are done, which does no favors for mirrorless. You can set an auto off time limit to conserve batteries .....

But in real life shooters scenarios, I am usually looking through the viewfinder for very long periods of time - often hours at a time, as I wait for whatever it is that I'm waiting for. During this time I will take lots and lots of test shots with various different settings, and will be continually chimping, examining the images on the LCD to scrutinize every little detail about the test images.

That is how I spend my time when I am waiting for something to shoot. It is how I prepare for the opportunity that is to come. And it is VERY battery intensive.

I would hope that battery tests mimic this type of usage, because that is what would best replicate real-life shooting.

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18701793
But in real life shooters scenarios, I am usually looking through the viewfinder for very long periods of time - often hours at a time, as I wait for whatever it is that I'm waiting for. During this time I will take lots and lots of test shots with various different settings, and will be continually chimping, examining the images on the LCD to scrutinize every little detail about the test images.

That is how I spend my time when I am waiting for something to shoot. It is how I prepare for the opportunity that is to come. And it is VERY battery intensive.

I would hope that battery tests mimic this type of usage, because that is what would best replicate real-life shooting.

that's fine if that's the way you shoot, it's not far off from a multi hour timelapse I may do. However, with mirrorless, it's more a function of time rather than shutter actuations. For instance, the 350 CIPA rating, can mean that you can shoot for 2-3 hours straight without limit. You can probably fire off over 1000 images in that timespan.

for longer timespans, you'll have to change out the battery. Someone with different patterns of shooting may get different shutter actuations, but I think 700-1000 would be ballpark for most shooters. Canon offers a battery grip should you need more, and if that's not enough, you can build out a video rig and mount on a battery pack for virtually unlimited shooting. I read somewhere that the Canon takes USB charging, and that's my assumption.

is this the thread where all the chronically discontent Canon trolls meet? or are we discussing the new FF mirrorless?