EOS-R - It's out. Thoughts?

johnf3f wrote in post #18741074
No idea! When I tried the EOS R on some passing cars it barely slowed down at all. True is was not quick in the first place but it wasn't much/noticeably slower on these slow-ish subjects.

Whilst it is no sports/action camera it will/did get some nice images of moving subjects without slowing by much if any.

In your test though was it "subject tracking" with AF continuous?

i-G12 wrote in post #18741024
^ so it looks like you have to shoot in low speed continuous shooting to get subject tracking.

Jared Polin said in his video that he used the 5fps setting for his shots and it worked just fine. I've heard that a few times now, it's just not something I do, therefore I haven't tried. We are planning a test session on the weekend.

For those asking about 5 vs. 3 FPS...

5FPS comes at a cost of precision. The camera will shoot 5FPS but Canon wants you to know that it’s prioritizing the FPS and not the accuracy of the AF.

Both 5FPS and 3FPS are continuous tracking Servo modes.

3 FPS is for when you want The Camera to do it’s very best to track the subject accurately. You are choosing AF precision over ultimate FPS.

Wheras in the 1D 5D bodies you set this using Case modes and AF sub menus, in the EOS R you choose between 5 FPS and 3 FPS.

It’s a different way to manage the settings and your priorities.

What Jared is referring to is that even though he was using the 5 FPS setting, he was still getting nearly every frame in focus.

What you heard the internet world complaining about for weeks after the release was that you had to give up 5 FPS to get the most accurate focus tracking. But, at this point, most people who actually use the camera are happy with the tracking in either 5 FPS, or 3 FPS. Real life analysis vs. spec sheet analysis...

cug wrote in post #18740917
Check the specs, as far as I understand:

• 8 fps with single shot AF (so, no tracking or refocusing), no flicker reduction, no dual pixel raw, some lenses even need IS off, with a shutter speed of 1/1000 or faster
  
• 5 fps with Servo AF and "shooting speed priority" (Canon's words, not mine, guess: shutter priority + Servo AF?)
  
• 3 fps with tracking priority
  
• 2.2 fps with dual pixel raw

Update: missed the link https://shop.usa.canon​.com …ull-frame-mirrorless-body

Check the Specs and there search for Drive. There are more limitations and explanation, I just quoted what I thought was the most relevant information.

I don't have the camera here, so I can't test what happens when you run out of buffer, but my other cameras will just slow down to the rate the card can take for clearing the buffer.

This is a huge difference vs. the 3fps that's constantly being complained about. thanks for this. I would really wish there was a setting that allows the 8FPS to engage and shoot while the camera is set for AI Servo though,. in which case it would behave like most older non top of the AF line DSLRs that can't keep up with tracking, but are happy to keep shooting fast anyway in "release priority"

SereneSpeed wrote in post #18741184
For those asking about 5 vs. 3 FPS...

5FPS comes at a cost of precision. The camera will shoot 5FPS but Canon wants you to know that it’s prioritizing the FPS and not the accuracy of the AF.

Both 5FPS and 3FPS are continuous tracking Servo modes.

3 FPS is for when you want The Camera to do it’s very best to track the subject accurately. You are choosing AF precision over ultimate FPS.

Wheras in the 1D 5D bodies you set this using Case modes and AF sub menus, in the EOS R you choose between 5 FPS and 3 FPS.

It’s a different way to manage the settings and your priorities.

What Jared is referring to is that even though he was using the 5 FPS setting, he was still getting nearly every frame in focus.

What you heard the internet world complaining about for weeks after the release was that you had to give up 5 FPS to get the most accurate focus tracking. But, at this point, most people who actually use the camera are happy with the tracking in either 5 FPS, or 3 FPS. Real life analysis vs. spec sheet analysis...

Awesome, so the 5FPS will be as good as, (or likely better) than a 5D3 @ 5FPS (or was 5D3 6fps?) Anyway, 5 is fine.

i-G12 wrote in post #18741094
In your test though was it "subject tracking" with AF continuous?

Yes it was and it tracked very well - certainly better than then EVF did! All images were pretty/very sharp but there weren't many of them (low FPS) and the subjects (cars) were moving fairly slowly.

Having said that, I am a wildlife photographer, and this is simply not the camera for me - it is just too slow. However for general use I rather liked it and the IQ with the 50 F1.2 was excellent.

It is a horse for a course, just not the course that I am on.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18740691
Gah, I keep thinking about the MPE65, it is a lens I have yet to try but is on my list. Nice shot with that.

So we have an esteemed member here on POTN that is saying the viewfinder blackout/Prev Frame during a burst isn't anything worse than a DSLR, and others that did video reviews just didn't know what they were doing with settings, etc.

However I don't think that member really did any kind of test where you have Servo AF turned on and have focus as your priority, the test was inside the house just moving the camera around. I would think 3fps with a blackout or previous recorded frame would break your ability to track a BIF, for example. What is the real world experience of this so far? If this is the case, that would completely eliminate this camera for any kind of small area focus lock I would want during any kind of action. Large objects like a car or runner might be different, but often I am either tracking a bird, or a player's head while others move in and out of the frame.

DSLR mirror blackout at 7 or 10fps is better to deal with than a 3fps burst where you cannot see what you are tracking a majority of every second.

I don't know about your M50 but the M5 has continuous shooting with no blackout, I'm not surprised the R is the same.

sidknee wrote in post #18741739
I don't know about your M50 but the M5 has continuous shooting with no blackout, I'm not surprised the R is the same.

The problem is that while it doesn't have a "blackout" it fills the refresh period from the sensor with the shot you've just taken. So, while you're looking at mostly static subjects that's fine, but tracking an erratically moving subject with that is impossible. You'll need vastly faster sensor readout for this which can be achieved like in the Sony A9 at the expense of sensor performance at everything but base ISO or via a smaller sensor or partial readout like in the Fuji X-T3.

X-T3:

• 30fps with electronic shutter in crop mode (1.25x)
  
• 20fps with electronic shutter in APS-C
  
• 11fps with mechanical shutter

• 20fps with electronic shutter
  
• 5fps with mechanical shutter

sidknee wrote in post #18741739
I don't know about your M50 but the M5 has continuous shooting with no blackout, I'm not surprised the R is the same.

What you see between frames as the camera shoots is a jedi mind trick (which seems to have worked). Instead of black, they show you a recorded image. In order to have no blackout, the hardware needs to be of a much higher caliber, basically the sensor has to be able to dump the entire contents off instantly and be ready to record (and thus display) real-life. Today, the Sony A9 has that, but it is a $3K + camera. It will take a while for the technology to catch up with the low end cameras.

Just shared these in the other EOS photo thread. New Canon RF 50mm 1.2 ... taken at f/1.2 and f/2.2 .... aimed for the right figurines eye from about 3 feet away. DOF must be razor thin, but it nailed focus perfect. I like the f/2.2 image better, but posted both since as test shots.

mdvaden wrote in post #18741862
Just shared these in the other EOS photo thread. New Canon RF 50mm 1.2 ... taken at f/1.2 and f/2.2 .... aimed for the right figurines eye from about 3 feet away. DOF must be razor thin, but it nailed focus perfect. I like the f/2.2 image better, but posted both since as test shots.

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That is impressive. They probably look sharper on your monitor and they do look sharp here as well. Officially hate you now

keep posting

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How many FPS, and did it track their movement?

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18741819
What you see between frames as the camera shoots is a jedi mind trick (which seems to have worked). Instead of black, they show you a recorded image. In order to have no blackout, the hardware needs to be of a much higher caliber, basically the sensor has to be able to dump the entire contents off instantly and be ready to record (and thus display) real-life. Today, the Sony A9 has that, but it is a $3K + camera. It will take a while for the technology to catch up with the low end cameras.

There's a little confusion due to the terms.

Live feed
No blackout

The A9 and xt3 are the only cameras that can do both as far as I know.

Blackout free, like you mention, is a Jedi trick, not to be confused with live feed. Conventional DSLR is live feed with blackout. Many mirrorless disguise the the blackout with a delay and not all delays are the same. When given the option, I take live feed over blackout free. The A7's are blackout free @ 10fps, but not live feed, which is 8fps. Generally works ok because of how fast it is, just prefer the live feed as it feels more natural.

umphotography wrote in post #18741919
That is impressive. They probably look sharper on your monitor and they do look sharp here as well. Officially hate you now

keep posting

The finish of a figurine doesn't have the type of fine edges or details that provide a "sharp" look, but the image is very in focus where it should be. Apparently the depth of field @ f/1.2 from 3 feet away is about 4/100ths inch. So with the eyes being perfectly in focus where I aimed for, that's plenty satisfying. For anyone interested, the flowers are Verbena, and they flower continuously from about June or July until November.

I learned that my few year old Tamron 70-200 mm 2.8 does not function with the EOS R, but my Tamron 24-70mm bought about the same time does work. So does my Tamron 85mm VC and all the rest of my Canon lenses work.

The plain adapter arrived this evening but I haven't had time to go outside and shoot with adapted lenses yet. I know the Canon 85mm 1.2 ii L will work fine, but I'm still interested to try it.

RE the figurine photos, the DOF is razor thin. But here's a 100% crop with no color correct or sharpening. The small leaves in the focal plane show some fine detail. The color is basically matches the scene. It's comparable to my Zeiss Milvus 85mm 1.8

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18741932
How many FPS, and did it track their movement?

I'm more curious as to how the image was achieved without the body having two card slots??