EOS-R - It's out. Thoughts?

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18714407
I hope the high ISO is as good on the EOS-R as it is on the 5D4. If it isn't, I worry about the next mirrorless that will be announced. I hope the banding isn't really an issue as discussed by Tony N I believe. Its been days since I watched Northrup. I think he said he was shooting in low light, but I don't recall the source or type of the low light.

Have you seen this video yet? Jump to 36:20 ... Do you think that the banding Polin talks about with the A7R iii is similar and related the EOS R banding Northrup noted? Polin aimed for a cause. I think Northrup didn't diagnose but stated it existed.

Wilt wrote in post #18714489
Hey, you need not defend the feature, I am legitimately trying to LEARN how an eye-focus camera handles that situation for one shot, when the next shot might well benefit from the presence of that feature!

Some responses have been 'use face focus', which is a perfectly good thing to do. But how does one disable eye focus quickly for one shot, so they can rely upon face focus for the second shot one second later, or even shift AF points for the third shot, one additional second later?

Any of the recent cameras have the ability to be whatever you want it. So on the Sony, I assume you have a button where you can very quickly switch between eye AF and normal selected point AF. At least that is what I think I have heard others say. Just like you can quickly turn on/off AI Servo with just the press of a button once.

But Canon has a history with banding, and it will be interesting to see what happens as the number of users across a myriad of shooting conditions beyond those that Canon has sent the cameras to. I certainly hope there is no banding at all. And high ISO results generally doesn't mean banding either, usually banding occurs when pulling shadows up with Canon, at least in the past. Even the newer Canon offerings show banding if you push the files hard enough. I just hope things aren't a bit worse than prior Canon models. I don't care what Sony might have, I care that Canon doesn't take steps backward.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18714522
Any of the recent cameras have the ability to be whatever you want it. So on the Sony, I assume you have a button where you can very quickly switch between eye AF and normal selected point AF. At least that is what I think I have heard others say. Just like you can quickly turn on/off AI Servo with just the press of a button once.

You basically have 2 AF buttons, one for eye, one as normal. For normal, you can choose face detect which will lock on faces when possible or face detect off, which is fully manual, you choose what you want.

In general photography, I don't use face detect, I don't need to with the eye AF button. So AF is completely manual, and I only trigger eye detect if I think it will be useful.

Face detect is basically reserved for video.

Thanks for the explanation Charlie!

With multiple eyes, or multiple faces, in the frame, how does one prioritize which one for the camera to use for focus?

Wilt wrote in post #18714532
Thanks for the explanation Charlie!

With multiple eyes, or multiple faces, in the frame, how does one prioritize which one for the camera to use for focus?

Are you referring to the EOS R at this point?

mdvaden wrote in post #18714538
Are you referring to the EOS R at this point?

...the camera which Charlie has been posting about (since the EOS R does not have eye focus).

Wilt wrote in post #18714539
...the camera which Charlie has been posting about (since the EOS R does not have eye focus).

Thanks. I was curious.

5 minutes ago I was watching the same basic thing on Youtube trying to help my friend figure out getting out of Manual on his new A7R iii ... but I'm also needing to figure out the same face and eye detect for the EOS R

Some of the tutorials are rather long that I've found.

Wilt wrote in post #18714539
...the camera which Charlie has been posting about (since the EOS R does not have eye focus).

Actually, the M50 (and now Canon R) does have eye detection focus.

EOS R Camera

"The EOS R camera features an expanded range of selectable AF modes to adapt to specific situations and subjects. For example, with Eye Detection AF, when the EOS R detects a human face, it automatically uses the subject’s eye as the autofocus point and maintains focus as the subject moves through the image frame."

Wilt wrote in post #18714539
...the camera which Charlie has been posting about (since the EOS R does not have eye focus).

I'm going to stick mostly to the EOS R .. because it has eye detect and also the the thread topic. The only reason I tossed in a Sony AR7 iii video was in relation to whether it answers part of the Canon's low light banding.

But along the lines of focusing, this video from Canon near 2:35 shows something I heard about and hoped to see. Small marks or triangles converging for manual focus.

Wilt wrote in post #18714532
Thanks for the explanation Charlie!

With multiple eyes, or multiple faces, in the frame, how does one prioritize which one for the camera to use for focus?

Closest to current AF point, but if using wide area, then closest and generally center prioritized.

The Eye AF of Canon isn't the same as Sony's, it doesn't behave the same. It might be in the future should Canon update the firmware to enhance it.
https://www.thephoblog​rapher.com …eds-via-firmware-updates/

Wilt wrote in post #18714532
Thanks for the explanation Charlie!

With multiple eyes, or multiple faces, in the frame, how does one prioritize which one for the camera to use for focus?

Answering my own question via examination of the EOS R manual...it locks on a moving face. If it finds multiple faces, you press a button to choose a different face in the frame with < > buttons. 2 steps.

The EOS R does indeed have Eye Focus!!! (page 277 of owner manual) And you can use touch screen to select which pair of eyes. Not terrific for action shooting, like shooting a soccer game.
It takes THREE buttons to turn off/on the eye focus, not terrific for action shooting, like shooting a soccer game.

The UI for EOS R focus seems better suited for a novice shooter than an advanced shooter; this needs serious attention for the pro camera.

Based on videos I have watched, I glean the following :

A. It doesn't keep up with a subject like the Sony, so no good for sports.

B It doesn't continually refocus as you burst, it locks focus in place. I think there might a firmware later that will change/address this.

My 2 cents

It killed any desire i had to stick with Canon at this point.. Right now im running a Sony A7 III with the 55 f/1.8 Sonnar and 90mm f/2.8 Macro in addition to my Canon 7D Mark II, 15-85, 70-200 f/2.8L IS, Sigmalux and 100L..and a 150-600 Contemporary that is shared between the two

The R didnt make me want to sell my Sony off and add the R in, it made me want to do the opposite (and i likely will be doing so shortly)

Reasons?

-No joystick
-Big heavy expensive lenses and heavy reliance on adapting, i almost bought the 50mm f/1.4 for my A7III because i got an amazing deal on it.. but the size and weight just was not suitable for my needs, the 50mm f/1.2 is even larger. Lack of a concrete lens roadmap is also harmful from my perspective, the "rumors" ive heard is that basically we're going to be seeing big large f/2.8 zooms for the upcoming future
-Needing to adapt EVERYTHING pretty much
-Poor speed when using tracking AF (3-5fps when you enable tracking AF, i get 8 with live view or i can fire off a 10fps burst without, Either is significantly better for my types of shooting)
-No in body stabilizer
-Single card slot
-6D-like ergonomics
-The thumb touchpad thing one reviewer noted some problems with it registering, i know my fingers and such have issues with such things and i know it would quickly be an annoyance for me


Im not hating on it entirely, i do think its a lovely looking camera, and the lenses are cool, but its just not the right camera for my needs. For my needs im simply better off trading off my Canon gear and investing in my Sony at this point (Basically, getting the lovely new 24mm f/1.4 GM, 24-105 f/4 and the 70-200 f/2.8 GM which will complete my system) which is a shame really, one or two tweaks to the R would have me doing the opposite... I do like the 35mm f/1.8 Macro for example, quite a lot in fact. But thats just not enough and not worth it.